Uhhhh, except for Manchester City…

Yeah yeah this won’t age well when it comes to City and Chelsea

My guess is they are coming down hard on all the old breaches they 100% knew about but let slide because so Man City don’t have an precedents to point at and claim they are being targeted whilst others are being given leniency

The Telegraph writer here doesn’t seem to have followed through his thought process to its natural conclusion.

Without wishing to go into the specifics of Everton or Man City or Chelsea and without wishing to discuss the ‘fairness’ of P&S rules it seems to me we have a system where:

1. The financial gains of sporting success, through TV money and Champions League qualification (and success), massively outweigh in both terms of size and speed, the possible gains of sustainable commercial off-field success; and

2. P&S is set up to reward a team’s commercial success and the ability to trade players at higher value - a process where the rewards are far more long-term (if at all possible for most teams).

So we have a situation that actually rewards gambling on sporting success as if the gamble pays off the rewards are huge and immediate. For teams like Man City and Chelsea who can fund the gamble with some ease it makes perfect sense for them to take that gamble and the nature of their, and now Newcastle’s, commercial ownership structure means that they will attempt to bend the rules while waiting for that gamble to pay-off.

Indeed, for teams that can afford the gamble the financial and sporting risk is negligible. For a team like, Brighton, for e.g. the sporting risk is far greater.

In short: theres way too much money sloshing around the top of English football.

Until it happens to a top 6 club we’ll believe it when we see it

Suppose it’s fair, as long as all the leagues do the same, which they won’t, Real Madrid & Barcelona have been in the past government backed all sorts of dodging us going on, but is a state of national pride having a strong leave in Spain.

PSG in the desperate attempt to win the Champions League, do you thin They haven’t broken FFF rules, most clubs & big teams in Europe have been doing it for years?

So why is the English Premier League going to damage its worldwide reputation as being the best league in the world, do you think La Liga would relegate Real Madrid? No it’s madness.

So…city to national league north then?

Would a better punishment be to reduce the number of registered players for a period of time? By reducing to 25 to 22, it would force clubs to use academies and young players. There’s always the option to manage it more proactively like La Liga but sure that’s not perfect either. The points deduction just seems to punish fans, players and managers, who likely didn’t contribute much to the breach of rules.

No. That’s stupid. What one party did won’t increase or lower another party’s chances of having committed a different crime.

You guys lack common sense. No one in this subreddit is qualified to determine if a club is innocent or guilty.

Starting point is to impose immediate sanctions on clubs refusing to co-operate fully with investigations.

You want to be part of the league, then abide by the rules and be prepared to hand over everything and prove that you have.

If you don’t, then piss off to another league

There seems to be very little discussion about what the P&S rules are even officially meant to achieve.

If there’s going to be any regulation about spending, there seem to be broadly two sensible options.

• Protection of a club’s finances - limiting allowable debts based on what the clubs and owner can afford
• Levelling the playing field - an NFL-style salary cap

The current rules are clearly not intended to do either.

Everton/Moshiri could presumably afford these losses. If allowed, he could just choose to put more money into the club to cover them. And enforcing the rules is far more likely to push them off a financial cliff.

And it’s clearly does nothing to help with levelling the playing field. Even ignoring their own dodgy dealings, the big clubs massively outspend clubs like Everton simply because their football revenues are vastly bigger, and will continue to get bigger as long as they’re able to outspend everyone.

It’s fairly obvious that this is the real point of P&S - to stop anyone new ever challenging the existing status quo.

But what’s the official justification that’s used for it? And why do the rest of the Prem go along with it?

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City were always facing major sanctions if proved guilty of the breaches they’re accused of because they will essentially amount to potentially criminal levels of fraud from multiple stakeholders. Everton are neither here nor there on that point.

Get tough on Man City

The charges hanging over Manchester City are bringing the whole Premier League competition into disrepute. Each game they and each trophy they win feels unearned and false until the charges are resolved and we know whether they were achieved fairly or not, and if not, what punishment is deemed appropriate for cheating. Right now there is a stench about the whole thing. And given it looks odds on that Man City’s likely fraudulently assembled squad is about to come out on top yet again, the PL would be wise to act before yet another lap of dishonour takes place.