• Neato@ttrpg.networkEnglish
      38·
      6 months ago

      Yeah. I find that a lot in very disparate genres, too. I pretty much have to look up anyone I like more than a little now.

    • kralk@lemm.ee
      9·
      6 months ago

      Not metal, but Ghost Mice really shocked me. The guy was like “yeah I did that shit, sorry” and was just never seen again.

      • barsoap@lemm.ee
        12·
        6 months ago

        Rammstein isn’t metal it’s NDH. The Genre does have metal influence but you could just as well call it Industrial Punk (in particular in regards to Rammstein). There’s plenty of groove metal in there if you know what to listen for but this doesn’t sound anywhere close to Pantera.

        And if Rammstein being a bunch of Punks with way too much artistic concept wasn’t enough you have to literally ignore their Discography to think they’re right-wing.

        • Cruxifux@feddit.nl
          6·
          6 months ago

          I know rammstein isn’t metal. Lots of people consider them metal though. And I didn’t say they were right wing, but the band did get in a lot of trouble in the last few years over sexually abusing people. A lot of people. That’s why I asked.

          • barsoap@lemm.ee
            41·
            6 months ago

            And I didn’t say they were right wing, but the band did get in a lot of trouble in the last few years over sexually abusing people

            It was alleged that. What’s true is that there were plenty of 0-row aftershow parties with plenty of drugs and sex involving Till. Which is problematic in itself but as it seems (if we take the state attorney’s conclusions as gospel truth) nothing non-consentual went on. What’s left is allegations by two women who, as far as I’m aware, never themselves filed criminal complaints (which would expose them to possible false accusation charges).

            What I took away from the whole thing is that Till is a creepy yet decent hedonist and it’s good that he’s got pushback over his behaviour, but it’s also not a thing he should be crucified for. He’s not 20-something any more, he should understand iffy consent mechanics when it comes to 20-something groupies better at his age.

  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
    1252·
    6 months ago

    Went to a metal concert last year for a huge, well known band. The number of punisher/warrior, thin blue line, militia-styled ragged flag, Gadsden shirts and hats was off the charts.

    In my younger days metal was anti-authoritarianism, anti-cop, anti-conformity… now these clowns are the ones who want to be holding the riot batons, the body armor, and support the very fascists we hated.

    I got plenty of grey hair, the crowd around me didn’t so I’m thinking there’s a generational shift to metal going fascist.

    Yeah, the meme rings pretty true.

    • lemmyreader@lemmy.mlEnglish
      40·
      6 months ago

      Your comment reminds me of Metallica many years ago. Their first albums were really good I thought. Then they cut their hair, their music started to sound more mainstream and I heard from friends that the band kind apologized for the anti war lyrics on their earlier albums. I guess money talks in strange ways.

      • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
        35·
        6 months ago

        That’s the band.

        Funny enough they still play those same anti-war songs off the early albums. Play what pays so they can ride around in their private jets.

        Edit:

        I did some digging. AJFA - One to most anyone objectively is about the horrors of war. The music video opens with the sounds and images of war. Lyrics say the war is done with the speaker in the story. It’s zero distance to understand that the person in the video suffered their wounds as a result of that war. The lyrics literally say a Landmine caused the wounds.

        However, Hetfield walked back that imagery and the lyrics to mean:

        In a Howard Stern Interview, James states that the song isn’t inherently anti-war, but the lyrics were rather about the feeling of being trapped in your own body and feeling like you’re unable to interact with the world around you and express yourself and speak your mind and feelings.

        So it’s not an apology, he’s retconning the song to this instead of what pretty much everyone legitimately understood it to be about.

        Also, regarding Don’t Tread On Me, what people associated with the Gadsden Flag:

        Hetfield said the song was a reaction to the anti-American tone of their album …And Justice for All - “This is the other side of that. America is a fucking good place. I definitely think that. And that feeling came about from touring a lot. You find out what you like about certain places and you find out why you live in America, even with all the bad fucked-up shit. It’s still the most happening place to hang out.”

        Hetfield also said “Don’t Tread On Me, I love the song, but it shocked a lot of people, because everyone thought it was pro-war when they thought we were anti-war, and alls we’re doing is writing songs, we’re not standing politically on any side. “Don’t Tread On Me” was just one of those ‘don’t fuck with us’ songs, and obviously referencing the flag and the snake and what it meant, that all tied into the black album and the snake icon on the album cover, and I think it’s great to play that song live. We’re over here in Europe playing it, and people aren’t appalled by the songs. We haven’t played it in Iraq or Iran yet, though.”

        It sounds a lot to me like Hetfield is softballing pandering to right wing fans he doesn’t want to offend and/or personal beliefs that lean Right. He completely disregards the obvious anti-war sentiment in AJFA with “Oh, you all thought we were anti-war? We’re not pro-war, we’re pro-America.” If that isn’t some Chauvanistic Nationalism I don’t know what is.

        Anyway, I don’t know one way or the other, but considering the crowd’s fashion choices at the event and his unwillingness to just say “war is bullshit”, which you can do apolitically, I figure Metallica, or at least Hetfield, support right wing ideologies.

        E2: another interview where Hetfield says why he left the Bay Area:

        *There was an elitist attitude there that if you weren’t their way politically, their way environmentally, all of that, that you were looked down upon. *

        So by inference and the preponderance of evidence, he’s probably right wing.

      • glitchdx@lemmy.world
        9·
        6 months ago

        You know you’re in a room full of true metal heads when everyone has distinctly point to when metallica started to suck, especially if they all point to different albums.

        • tearsintherain@leminal.space
          6·
          6 months ago

          Metallica died after Cliff died, that dude was the heart of the band. If you read up on Burton you’ll find musical crossover with Martin of the great Faith No More.

          In addition to ‘One’, don’t forget the great ‘Disposable Heroes’. Totally sold out with the Black Album and thereafter.

          • nomous@lemmy.world
            2·
            6 months ago

            I remember them getting haircuts and piercings and everyone being like “wtf?”

            That and the Lars/Napster stuff really soured them for me.

            • glitchdx@lemmy.world
              4·
              6 months ago

              I know I’m not a “true metalhead” because I never cared about the culture, I only cared about the music. As far as I can tell, metallica still makes banger music. I am not an authority on this subject.

              • nomous@lemmy.world
                1·
                6 months ago

                I’m not much of a metal head anymore but it was the first genre I was really into when I started developing my own taste in music.

                They’re not really for me but they’re definitely still one of the biggest bands in the world with millions of fans and I’m not gonna tell all those people they don’t have any taste in music you know? To each their own.

    • Son_of_dad@lemmy.world
      29·
      6 months ago

      Lot of metal recently using racist ideology, etc. Sucks that anything with a Celtic or Viking design has a racist vibe behind it now

      • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
        27·
        6 months ago

        Right? Of all people our veterinarian wears a Mjölnir necklace…I had to do a triple take to make sure he wasn’t a supremacist asshole, but no, he’s a legit Norwegian who likes Nordic style in general. He wears a Dragestil belt with silver inlay, some tattoos too. Cool guy. Sad that my first thought was wondering if he was a nazi supremacist because the symbols have been usurped and corrupted.

        • gorkur@lemmy.world
          191·
          6 months ago

          As an Icelander who still practices the old customs this drives me nuts. These scum lack the basic imagination to come up with their own logos so they steal our symbols? Fuck that.

          I just wish one of the Kardashians or some influencer would go big on Nordic symbology and bring it to the mainstream. Maybe it would lose its appeal to these fucks.

          • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
            15·
            6 months ago

            That’s the thing, isn’t it? All these extremists steal other people’s stuff and corrupt it to their own purposes. Nazis did it. Religions did it. Supremacists are doing it with Nordic cultural symbols.

      • ErzatzCadillac@lemmy.ca
        10·
        6 months ago

        Yeah there are people who think (sterotypical) Vikings are their true “white” heritage and end up harassing anyone they don’t like out of fanbases for viking-related bands. Heilung, for example, had to publicly state that those kind of people are not welcome after some of them were harrassing a woman for having the “wrong” skin color to be able to participate at one of their shows. These guys haven’t yet figured out that their bigotry is the exact opposite beliefs of the vast majority of the pagan/viking/etc communities.

    • Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world
      23·
      6 months ago

      I find that whenever I go to metal shows, most people are very kind, polite and free of bigotry. Maybe what you’re describing is a US thing, or maybe it’s just that Metallica is a super mainstream band which attracts more dickheads than your average metal show.
      I know metalheads have a history of gatekeeping, and keeping these fascists away from the scene should be priority #1.

      • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
        221·
        6 months ago

        I can only offer what I experienced at the show I attended. Metallica was touring with Five Finger Death Punch, a very much right-wing “military rock” band that just sucks IMO. They straight up dog whistled the right wingers in the crowd using a lot of “there’s something wrong in this country” type of commentary. Metallica bringing them on tour doesn’t really change my growing opinion that Metallica supports right wing ideology. My understanding of the greater Metal crowd is that they are indeed good people, I went to an Industrial Metal concert a few weeks back and it was free of the iconography I saw at the Metallica show, and everyone was great. We had a good time. It was also the loudest show I think I’ve ever been to. Thank goodness for earplugs, lol.

        • endhits@lemmy.world
          7·
          6 months ago

          I’ve never understood the popularity of FFDP. “War is the Answer” is their best album by a heavy margin and it’s just… Fine? Like it’s listenable, I can listen to it without being bored. At the end of the day it makes me wish I was listening to Avenged Sevenfold, Shinedown, or Killswitch Engage.

          But the rest of their music is unbelievably boring. Their covers of other people’s music is their best work, probably because they can’t write interesting music.

        • ShunkW@lemmy.world
          2·
          6 months ago

          I mean, Kirk Hammet literally wore swastika shirts back in the day. I used to be a huge Metallica fan boy when I was younger but eesh.

            • ShunkW@lemmy.world
              2·
              6 months ago

              Yeah I think it was either before Metallica, or early days. I’ve tried to find a picture, but they’ve done a good job of scrubbing it from the Internet. I know my source is “trust me bro” at this point lol, but I swear I’ve seen it multiple times years ago

              • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
                1·
                6 months ago

                You’re right, it’s now to be found. Eh, after a little poking around they did a nazi salute, too. You can still see that image. Be willing to bet the swastika and salute were both “fuck you” for lols and not any personal affiliation.

    • The Menemen!@lemmy.world
      4·
      6 months ago

      Oh, I don’t like metal and still considered them to be a mostly apolitical group of weird nerds. But it probably fits to the general trend of neonazis trying to infiltrate and overtake other subcultures. Oi! just doesn’t draw large crowds I guess, probably Punk rock in general is not such a big thing anymore?

        • The Menemen!@lemmy.world
          4·
          6 months ago

          I was addressing that Neonazis usurped the Skinhead subculture for a long time. The skinhead subculture is part of the punkrock scene. Most of punkrock was always leftist though, at least here in Europe. I think you’ll have to try hard to find a rightwing skinhead nowadays though. A switch towards Metal sounds like an almost natural thing for the neonazi scene. Metalfans should try their best to stop that or it might destroy the whole subculture.

          • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
            4·
            6 months ago

            It’s a bit muddy, it’s been a few years since the whole skinhead/punk thing was more closely related. I do remember that there wasn’t much visual difference between Punks and Skinheads unless you got the Punks were wearing their full getup with mohawks and basically had hair, whereas the skinheads really didn’t, obviously because “skinhead”. I always associated skinheads with being racists or nazi-types, but they also (at least in my experience here) were also anti-authority and often leaned hard into anarchy, too. So definitely some overlap with Punk.

            I have no idea about the skinhead culture these days in the US, or what it aligns itself with. Can’t imagine anyone affording a pair of Doc Martens, and plus they’re low quality chinese made now.

            I don’t know if there’s anything to be done at this point. There were 80,000-ish in attendance for the sold-out Metallica show. The people wearing right-wing stuff were everywhere, plus flying right wing thin blue line and Gadsden flags while tailgating in the venue parking lot.

          • Miaou@jlai.lu
            2·
            6 months ago

            AFAIK in France skinhead and Neonazi are basically synonymes, but I’m not big on this subculture thing, and this probably depends by country/language. But please don’t go there calling yourself a skinhead lol

            • The Menemen!@lemmy.world
              1·
              6 months ago

              Yeah, as I said “Neonazis usurped the Skinhead subculture” in the 80s. There have always been apolitical and left wing skinheads, though. Nowadays the Skinhead subculture seems to be mostly dead (the whole punk scene has declined massively) and the few remaining appear to be almost completly apolitical and left wing.

          • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            6 months ago

            Not too long ago it came to public attention that there were a lot of Republicans listening to Rage Against The Machine. Which is hilarious.

            They don’t seem to consider what anything means as long as it sounds white enough and has an angry enough tone.

      • Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        3·
        6 months ago

        It makes sense that those types would join the punk /metal scene. It’s a scene made up of those on the fringes of society who are rebelling against authority (regardless of what that authority may be) and who are willing to accept anyone like them.

        I’ve met plenty of LGBT, geeks, on the spectrum and otherwise different folk who are part of the punk and metal scenes.

        • bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          3·
          6 months ago

          I’ve met plenty of LGBT, geeks, on the spectrum, and otherwise different folk who are a part of the punk and metal scenes

          Me too.

          I was volunteering with an anarchist mutual aid group and one of the volunteers was wearing a punk war vest (idk if punks have their own term for it, I’m a metal head) with a variety of punk patches and queer buttons.

          Maybe it’s just a symptom of only seeing shows in a city with a good radical scene, but most people I’ve met are completely normal and don’t have any concerning things like a punisher tattoo or a thin blue line shirt, etc.

        • The Menemen!@lemmy.world
          2·
          6 months ago

          It makes sense that those types would join the punk /metal scene.

          They are since 40+ years, The skinhead subculture is part of the punk scene. And Neonazis usurped that subculture for a long time (not so much nowadays though).

    • kaffiene@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      6 months ago

      Heh. Yeah I thought Metallica were anti “the man” when I was a teen but the Napster case showed me that they were the man

    • aidan@lemmy.world
      0·
      6 months ago

      To a lot of young people, myself included. The authority, or at least the authority we interact with- is progressive. So something like a thin blue line flag is rejecting that authority. Also the Gadsden flag has always been anti-authority.

        • aidan@lemmy.world
          01·
          6 months ago

          I didn’t say to everyone, I said to a lot of people that is the current dominant ideology from people in positions of authority that they interact with.

  • Dasnap@lemmy.world
    861·
    6 months ago

    Me hoping the new YouTuber I found hasn’t tried to chat-up any underage girls.

  • Bourff@lemmy.world
    565·
    6 months ago

    Metal bands are mostly nazis? Is that the news “satanic scare” like we had in the 80’s?

      • Bananobanza@lemmy.world
        23·
        6 months ago

        Lol, a lot of those names are a little too on the nose. I mean Kristalnacht and Infernall SS? Can’t imagine making a wrong assumption on those

      • fitgse@sh.itjust.works
        8·
        6 months ago

        This is a tiny portion of black metal in a sub genre . But it isn’t surprising that an extreme genre with a strong counter culture doesn’t have some extreme spin-offs.

        Also you can tell which bands are in NSBM because they are all terrible at actually making music.

      • Bourff@lemmy.world
        62·
        6 months ago

        Of course there are nazis bands, especially I’m black metal. But that’s a minority, and they generally suck anyway. But I’m not into BM at all personally, so I don’t bother tbh.

    • Shiggles@sh.itjust.works
      143·
      6 months ago

      It’s not a majority, but it is a higher risk factor. Especially when Sweden/Finland produce a lot of metal bands and are also a higher risk factor for nazi sympathy - by and large they certainly don’t idealize them but they also aren’t always vilified to the same level as you might expect elsewhere

      • kronisk @lemmy.world
        6·
        6 months ago

        Nazis are absolutely vilified in Sweden and Finland, I have no idea what you’re talking about. I’d say NSBM bands is a lot more prevalent in Eastern Europe and Russia.

      • toofpic@lemmy.world
        5·
        6 months ago

        Yeah, and the aggression in music easily syncs with literal agreccion of the third reich, so it’s a low-hanging fruit if you don’t have other ideas for music and songs. Lemme try:
        Panzer death
        Panzer death
        Blood soaked brothers march
        Panzer death
        Panzer death
        Glory to our patriarch

        bonus points for samples of machinegun added to drums, lyrics in German, bandmembers photographed in pseudo-nazi uniform, etc.

        Some idiots will listen that on repeat in no time

        Edit: Listen to Hanzel und Gretel - SS Deathstar Supergalaktik, it covers most of the the cliches

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        61·
        6 months ago

        It’s also something that’s more related to some genres of music than others. It’s definitely a much bigger issue in metal than you would find in, say, jazz or electronica. On the other hand, it’s more overt than the kind of Nazis you find in country music, and they get much more publicized.

        • root_beer@midwest.socialEnglish
          5·
          6 months ago

          It’s definitely a much bigger issue in metal than you would find in, say, jazz or electronica.

          For a while, and I assume it continues today, there was/is a synth subgenre called fashwave, a Nazi-adjacent take on vaporwave. I imagine they have a niche elsewhere in the electro scene, and prob. industrial too?

            • root_beer@midwest.socialEnglish
              4·
              6 months ago

              The good ol’ American tradition of forcing squaredance onto kids in schools—I was a victim myself from the ‘80s to the mid ‘90s—was borne of the fear and disgust of the black and Jewish roots of jazz, with Hitler idol Henry Ford being a big advocate for it.

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                11·
                6 months ago

                Yep, and one of the ways cannabis was demonized in the first half of the 20th century was by associating it with jazz culture, making it very much something that “they” did.

        • barsoap@lemm.ee
          2·
          6 months ago

          jazz or electronica.

          Gabber pretty much inherited all the Nazis Punks threw out of concerts and are, to their credit, also not terribly unlikely to throw them out of concerts. There’s definitely infiltration going on when it comes to Dark Techno. When it comes to Jazz it shouldn’t be too terribly fucking surprising that white supremacists don’t like it. It was outlawed in the Third Reich, though they also produced their own for foreign propaganda purposes.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            1·
            6 months ago

            It was outlawed in the Third Reich, though they also produced their own for foreign propaganda purposes.

            Funny, I replied to someone else saying almost the exact same thing, but I couldn’t remember the name of Charlie and his Orchestra. Thanks.

            Someone else told me about the electronica thing earlier and I shouldn’t have been surprised.

  • lobut@lemmy.ca
    241·
    6 months ago

    Saw a random YouTuber I thought I liked do a livestream. He usually does reactionary or random updates content.

    I go in and he’s ragging on Biden and I see people doing SuperChats with pro-Trump messages and just casual racism. Apparently, Biden’s PR person probably should have been white according to these guys. I ducked out, was quite sad.

  • SimplyTadpole@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    231·
    6 months ago

    Reading these comments is making me sweat nervously because I made an 80s-themed submod for a racing game with era-appropriate metal music, and it seems that a decent chunk of the bands I chose for the soundtrack turned out to be fascist or fascist-sympathizing 😓

  • masquenox@lemmy.world
    22·
    6 months ago

    A few years ago I found this band I liked - then I saw they literally played a concert for the staff at Guantanamo. Man… that was sickening.

  • xploit@lemmy.world
    22·
    6 months ago

    Dethklok seems pretty safe.

    There isn’t all that much out there about Brendon Small though and what I could find he should be a decent enough person…plus I liked Metalocalypse quite a bit, so that helps me 😁

    Dunno much about Bryan Beller, Nili Brosh or Gene Hoglan, just saw a few random videos with them so hard to gauge.

    • TwoCubed@feddit.de
      20·
      6 months ago

      Gojira are environmental and humanist activists to a certain degree. At least in their music that is.

      Plus they fucking rock, holy shit.

    • nyctre@lemmy.world
      12·
      6 months ago

      Just listen to cattle decap. The morally superior band. Kidding. They’re pretty great tho, more people should listen to cattle decapitation. Especially the later albums which are more approachable

      • klep@lemmy.ml
        1·
        6 months ago

        That’s an interesting take. I love Cattle Decapitation’s old stuff but their newer stuff never really grabbed me.

        Either way, to each their own. Cattle Decapitation is amazing either way!

        Edit: I didn’t see that you specified “more approachable”. You’re 100% correct in that. It’s 5am here, sorry.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
      122·
      6 months ago

      Brendon Small made Home Movies. He has to be a decent person. I will be very upset if he isn’t. I may have to go poke him in the eye if he isn’t.

    • root_beer@midwest.socialEnglish
      1·
      6 months ago

      Years ago, Brendan Small did a couple of characters on Comedy Bang Bang who, while being absolutely fucking hilarious and source of some of the top moments on the podcast, were kinda problematic, coming off as ethnic caricature. He quit doing those characters in 2017, for I think pretty obvious reasons, though I’m not sure whether anyone ever called him out on it. I assume it was similar to PFT’s rationale for dropping Ice-T from his own repertoire. In any event, you can take this however you will.

  • Emmie@lemm.ee
    20·
    6 months ago

    Bold of you to assume I know anything about the artists I listen to

  • dumbass@leminal.space
    19·
    6 months ago

    Did one or more of the members kill

    A) themselves

    B) another band member

    C) Random strangers by burning down a church

  • Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world
    18·
    6 months ago

    I don’t think he’s an out-and-out white supremacist, but one of the weirdest heel-turns ever was seeing actual Latino immigrant Tom Araya go from being the face of the evilest thrash metal band in the world to an outspoken evangelical Catholic MAGA-pilled Trump supporter.

    • Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works
      14·
      6 months ago

      I don’t think it’s uncommon unfortunately for immigrants who make their money to then move to the right of the political spectrum from a “I got mine” point of view. The right welcomes these new voices because they can point at them and say they aren’t racist, and that there aren’t systemic issues, not recognizing that the individual who was successful was so in spite of the barriers.

      • Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        11·
        6 months ago

        Yea as a Mexican whose lived in multiple states in Mexico patriarchy and conservatism is still very much alive, especially in smaller areas. It’s getting better but it’s still a very religious country. They suffer from much of the same things the US does when it comes with dealing with conservatives. Instead of it being about white power it’s just about patriarchy and religion and good old conservatism. Doesn’t help that a lot of the population is barely literate and many don’t go to or graduate high school. In my experience, graduating high-school is seen like getting an associates degree In the US.

    • kameecoding@lemmy.world
      101·
      6 months ago

      don’t think he’s an out-and-out white supremacist

      outspoken evangelical Catholic MAGA-pilled Trump supporter

      Bruh, what?

      No my clothes arent soaking wet, they are just well hydrated.