I swear, I’ve read a few of these and they sound like they’re playing some kinda fantasy tabletop game that’s stupid thick with weird rules and builds, and their staring at all of us like “obviously you can mix a hexblade with an abrant mind for optimal spells and subtle spells, and the DM is pissed I got silvery barbs, but I showed him how it’s an official spell so they should let me use it, but if i get aspect of the moon I don’t have to sleep so I can short rest to replace my spells lots for free and then I can convert…”
These guys are really entertaining. Flat earth people are boring by comparison. Sovcits will use 15 legal and Latin terms they learned from their redneck uncle, cram all of them into a single rage Facebook post not understanding what any of them mean. Wonderful.
Forget the Facebook rage. Hit up YouTube or your favorite more free alternative and you can watch amazingly confident sovcit nitwits square up against cops and judges.
They’re truly enjoyably bonkers.
Judges are less amused
What’s a Sovcit?
Sovereign Citizen
You say that like it explains anything
Explaining it is a multi page response, you have the ability to go to Wikipedia or Google and figure it out yourself. They told you what to research, so don’t be the laziest Internet user and read up on it yourself.
You asked, you got a polite response, no need to be salty.
A sovereign citizen is a loosely associated group of right wing anti-government extremists that emerged in the 1970s as an offshoot of the white supremacist religion Christian Identity. They believe they are not governed by the laws of where they live (hence sovereign), and that they are not required to have licenses, plates, insurance, ID, etc, and that they can pay bills by sending in nonsense correspondence with magic codes they think will eradicate their debt. They believe the government holds a 2 million dollar secret trust in everyone’s name and that you can pay your bills by “accessing” that trust through magic paperwork. They are a huge nuisance to cops and courts, “paper terrorize” the government to the tune of millions per year in frivolous litigation, and are a frequent source of hilarity in YouTube for their notorious traffic stop videos where they almost always end up dragged out of their car. They are properly bonkers.
Redneck uncle? Guess those Sov Cits are a diverse bunch. The few I have ever dealt with were minority, a couple black Americans and the most memorable was a Carribean Islander (my guess from accent, surprisingly he didn’t want to show me his Passport).
A lot of sovcits are black and belong to a branch of the Moorish Science Temple.
Peter Griffin seceding from the USA and establishing Petoria made more sense than sovcits do.
Sovcit: people who live in a society who believe they are entitled to all its privileges without any of the responsibilities
Can anyone actually explain what this person THINKS their rights are here? Like, are they just saying “you can’t give me a moving violation fine because I never signed up for that so it’s theft and slavery”? Or is there something more nuanced to their argument that I’m missing?
EDIT: Thank you to everyone who has contributed. My big takeaway from this is that sovcits pick and choose which legal language to believe like a modern American Catholic picks and chooses Bible verses to believe. 👍
When you are born, the government creates a fake corporate entity with your same name. That’s the thing that accrues the debts, fines, and jail sentences, not you the person. As long as you never sign a document in black or blue ink they cannot assign those to you because of arcane law stuff.
This is FOR REAL the core reasoning of sovcits???
I think there might be multiple subgenres, but this person/corporation duality is definitely one of the subgenres. I think the common element is they all believe there is some sort of magic spell they can cast to be immune to regulations.
This is an ironclad belief of theirs.
You know how dogs don’t necessarily understand the words you’re saying to get them to do a trick, or why they’re doing the trick? It’s basically that, if dogs thought they could make you do tricks by barking correctly. How much lead exposure factors into it is up for debate.
a modern incarnation of cargo cult?
You know I’ve never connected it to SovCits but the cargo cult comparison matches well. With a dash of conspiracy theorizing.
They think that because they do not “create joinder” by accepting the ticket that it doesn’t apply to them. They will “rescind” them by sending them back with some nonsense written on it at a 45 degree angle in red ink with a thumbprint and believe that cancels the ticket. Here is an example.
I see. That’s… Just so patently false on the face of it. I suppose if people want to believe hard enough, they will.
Not sure how they fail to understand the difference between a notice and an agreement but good luck to them, I suppose.
Why are they so obsessed with red ink and 45° angles? It’s so arbitrary.
Ok, so obviously, this doesn’t work, but let’s pretend for a second that it does for my following question. Why would the red writing need to be at 45°?
Why are sovcits batshit crazy? Who knows. It is funny picturing a county clerk with a compass and ruler going “It’s 44.5°, we got them boys”
Just plain ol’ narcissism. Main Character Syndrome. With a lot of stupidity.
Some of their reasoning isn’t known. The red ink, 45 degree angle, thumbprint stuff, nobody seems to know where it came from, not even the researchers who follow this stuff. Sovcits are only loosely associated with each other and there are subgroups of them (called American state nationals, secured party creditors, etc), so basically everything they do gets passed around via word of mouth, and each is more nonsensical than the last. It’s only the last handful of years that researchers have been taking a good look at them, but they’ve been around since the 1970s, so a lot of the origins are probably lost to history.
I would argue the drivers license is the proof of a contract stating you’ll follow the law pertaining to it. The ticket is a penalty for breaking that contract, not a new contract. But I know their lack of understanding logic.
I won’t claim I know what the “Truth in Lending” act is, or if it refers to red ink at a 45 degree angle. But even if it is real, I highly doubt it has anything to do with moving violations.
I frequently have to explain to people that the statue of limitations does not mean a ticket from 20 years ago is done with.
It’s so The Revenuers can’t use the document in court against you, duh. You done rurnt it. Checkmate, Gubmint.
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The truth in lending law or another similar law does indeed allow you to cancel a loan. Tickets aren’t loans obviously though. The goal is you could get a car loan or a mortgage, and then decide it was a bad idea and cancel the loan, and give back the property.
Whoa, sweeping negative generalization about hundreds of millions of people. You slammed a bunch of people off topic, you must have something to get off your chest.
I would like to get the catholic’s boot off my government’s throat.
Which government? Which Catholic?
Six out of Nine SCOTUS judges, just to start.
Are you jumping in to help make illogical generalizations seem less nuts? Each judge was nominated by a presidential administration and then confirmed by the US Senate. Do Catholics run all of those branches of governmemt? Are the Catholics in the room with us now?
Literally yes xD Follow much American politics? Ever looked at distribution of religious following in Congress compared to the American public? Not to mention that even non-Catholic denominations can trace their crazy rhetoric back to one-time Catholic doctrine. The Catholic Church is the root of evil when it comes to Christian theocracy in all its various shapes and forms.
Stop being willfully ignorant and accept that the Catholic Church, through its teachings over time, has caused irreparable damage to our political systems for literally over a thousand years and continues to do so today.
Or need I begin enumerating all of the heinous laws that are based in Catholic dogma from the past millennia? I’d be happy to start with just the ones that are still in effect today, if that’s easier for you
It’s roleplay. These people are roleplaying administrative skills, with fantasy names and concepts
That is really well said
It’s frustrating, because there’s a kernel of truth to all this. Government identities exist to manage credits and debts. If you’ve got a driver’s license and you’re caught speeding (or merely accused of it by a cop with a quota to fill), then you can be assigned a debt that can be used to garnish wages or seize property.
But… there’s no secret cheat code to avoiding these debts by simply denying the identity a government has on file isn’t yours. And while we can argue the fairness of the system, I don’t think there’s any doubt of its efficacy. A sheriff and his deputies can absolutely collect, whether you consent or not.
Roleplaying like this is how these folks are coping. It helps give them the courage and the self-determination to resist the guys in uniforms who do the dirty work of the system. Its irrational, sure. But when you get down to material conditions, its either “Believe a crazy mishmash of weird shit so you can justify fighting back” or “Accept the status quo and surrender”.
I love how every sovcit post here could be posted to [email protected]
I need to start cross posting. No reason those folks should miss out.
Calling the judge a burger flipper. That’s a good tactic.
Judges love that kind of thing.
It’s always these people trespassing on other people’s property and then wondering why there’s consequences.
It’s not even that hard to get permission. Just register for use of the roads, chip in your money to keep them open and running, and you get to use the government’s property all you like! Just respect their rules like you would any property owner, and you can
drivetravel on their roads as much as you need. If it were anyone else’s roads, you’d probably get denied and then shot unless you paid a huge access fee. Use of state property is amazingly easy and reasonable.It’s not even being able to use them, anyone has the right to travel on foot or by non-motorized bike. It’s specifically driving heavy machinery that can tear up the roads or injure someone you need a license for (ie, a car). Though even then, there are still rules to follow as a pedestrian.
When I’m reading one of these, I never know if it’s the nonsensical rant of a stubborn asshole, or someone who genuinely needs psychiatric help. In other words, I don’t know whether it’s okay to laugh or not.
I never post the mentally ill ones. You are safe to laugh.
Oh please do…
It’s a little mean because usually they are losing their home or their children to CPS, and while the reasons are always good, they’re obviously pretty desperate. They are the shittiest parents and they all “home school” their children which means making them parent each other or propping them up in front of conspiracy theory videos on Rumble. I’m attaching an example.
Kid probably had the cavities before going to foster care and they were just the first ones to take them to the dentist. Fortunately, those teeth will get replaced in a few years. Best time to get cavities is before your adult teeth come in, if you absolutely have to have them.
They probably filled the kid’s bottle with Mountain Dew. I’ve personally seen that.
I was reading that as Soviet Citizen.
In Soviet Russia, contract refuses you!
