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Welcome to Ask Burggit, wanted to get it off the ground and make an initial post, and I was kind of curious to see what people would answer.
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Saw a comment saying ban buggit.moe because eww loli. Instantly hit the signup button.
Best form of advertisement we could ever hope for.
Saw it blocked on beehaw and wondered why since I didn’t see any bigotted shit
Jesus that list ballooned fast. Was only like 6 instances (mostly the tankies/nazis) just last week lol.
They are literally blocking single user’s self-hosted instances for whatever reason lol.
I’m guessing that’s to stop them from becoming spam nodes maybe? I’m betting it goes whitelist only later on, part of the reason why I started looking around a little harder after landing there last week lol. Figured they’d start to enter a sort of walled garden system once the more trolly people figure out how to just spin up instance after instance and keep coming in to say hi everywhere.
People keep praising federation and decentralization and yadda yadda yadda without noticing the elephant in the room: The owner of an instance can block other instances, therefore denying its users from contents solely because they choose to do so.
This is extremely problematic for me because an instance is not only a community by itself, but also supposed to be a window into the Fediverse for its users. For those who came from Reddit, can you imagine using a reddit third party client only to find out they don’t allow you to view certain subreddits for whatever reason?
Huge respect to Burggit for having the ball to run a truly “safe and diverse” space for the Fediverse dwellers.
You’re welcome. I fully expect them to pull a Tusky for their Jerboa app if we show up more on their radar. What a crock of shit, the Tusky app hardcodes a blacklist of Pleroma and Mastodon instances so that the end user can’t connect to them. Hence the need for the Husky fork.
Honestly, it’s why I’m trying to jumpstart more diverse but “safe” communities. If it’s nothing but lolis and cubs, the target is clear, but with decent discussion based communities, it becomes a bit more difficult and there’s an argument to be made that they’re not just blocking one type of content, they’re blocking entirely unrelated communities because they don’t like part of what they’re hosting. That bolsters the free speech argument even more when speech they like is inherently intertwined with speech they don’t like.
I want this place to thrive. It doesn’t need to be the biggest, and inevitably zero tolerance types will block it regardless, but I want the decision to censor it to be painful for as many people as possible.
I found this place on the Lemmy front page list of instances. Like some others have mentioned I’m not here specifically for the type of hentai allowed but I’m against morality policing, especially for fictional content. I think this place will be vilified but as long as you stick by your policies you should see a decent community grow here.
Thank you! That’s the plan, we will not abandon our policies! We are dead set on giving people a place to express themselves and their ideas all ideas freely, so long as they do not participate in illegal activities or things like harassment of groups or individuals.
You’re my husband and you told me about it, so I joined to help you and your friend.
I searched for “loli” on https://join-lemmy.org/instances and found your instance.
Going the extra mile for cunny. Respect.
Honestly the same. Most other instances don’t have a description or anything to stand out in that list. This instance has a fun name and a description stating what it is. I prefer a smaller instance with loose moderation over a bigger instance with strict moderation. Loli is also a huge bonus!
This outrage post. Knew I’d found the one.
I was looking for an instance to join for porn on https://join-lemmy.org/instances and saw you were lolisho and cub friendly
I saw that this was one of the first communities to be defederated by beehaw.org, so I clicked on it expecting some nazi shithole or something and was surprised to find it was a perfectly normal looking community. Additionally, as someone who loves Touhou music, I was excited to see some touhou related subreddits like Cirno were here so I joined. While I personally don’t enjoy nsfw art all that much (other than for the memes) and I dislike lolicon content, I treat the acceptance of all types of art as a good benchmark for whether a community truly cares about free speech and am very glad to see that it is not forbidden.
Most of my use of reddit was on FOSS and linux related subreddits so I’ll probably still have to join another instance since a lot of them are currently getting bigger on lemmy.ml/beehaw, but i’m glad to be here too for the anime/doujin/nsfw stuff and I hope to see it grow. It will be amazing if this can grow while respecting free speech but also not turn into an extremist-filled site like Voat did.
That leads me to ask, why do so many instances defederate this community in particular? For instance, lemmy.one as of now lists this as the only blocked community! Why??!! I’m guessing maybe people see that it’s loli friendly and assume it’s a place full of actual pedos without actually looking at the content of the site to see that it’s not.
I really hope that other instances will begin to accept this community. But there will probably be some major shifts in the lemmy world over the next few weeks due to the lemmy.ml shenanigans so who knows what will happen.
That leads me to ask, why do so many instances defederate this community in particular? For instance, lemmy.one as of now lists this as the only blocked community! Why??!! I’m guessing maybe people see that it’s loli friendly and assume it’s a place full of actual pedos without actually looking at the content of the site to see that it’s not.
That would be my impression…
In general whenever the topic of ‘loli’ comes up it’s filled with vitriol and hate by those against it. Honestly, I don’t even hold them being against it against them; It’s something that a lot of people find reprehensible, and is illegal in a lot of places. I can understand not wanting to accidentally come across it.
I just wish these people didn’t assume the worst in those of us into that. The sheer level of vitriol and contempt gets to me, sometimes.
…Well, in any case, it’s most likely the loli thing. That seems to be the justification I’ve seen in most threads talking about defederating burggit, anyway.
I’m of the opinion that they use Loli as the reason just cause it’s the easiest, but if we didn’t allow loli I’m sure it’d be defederated for something else. We’re very lax when it comes to content, allowing pretty much anything so long as it’s legal and doesn’t actively cause problems for our instance or its users. I just think allowing loli gives people an easy out to immediately defederate without having to explain themselves too much. I’m seeing instances become more and more defederation happy as things progress. I can see a split happening, similar to how things are currently on mastodon/pleroma/akkoma. As lemmy instances rise and fall, this will become less of an issue, since no matter which side you are on will have enough federated with you to not be too excluded. Even if for the short term it causes us to be less-federated.
I definitely think that sticking with our policies is far more important than worrying about federation, since what matters most is what our users think of us, not what other users think of us. I saw someone compare this to countries in the past, where you’re going to put the needs of your country over the needs of others. I think that’s fairly accurate for this.
I definitely think that sticking with our policies is far more important than worrying about federation, since what matters most is what our users think of us, not what other users think of us. I saw someone compare this to countries in the past, where you’re going to put the needs of your country over the needs of others. I think that’s fairly accurate for this.
While I would love to see this instance grow, that does make sense. If one wants to see the other stuff that badly, they can join the other instances. There wouldn’t be much of a reason, in my mind, to sacrifice the ‘identity’ of the instance just for that.
Though I may be a bit biased in that regard. Not a lot of forums are labelled as ‘loli friendly’.
As for the other point you mentioned… I could see that. That happened even on reddit, with whole subreddits sometimes banning users who participated in one subreddit or another.
Well you can rest assured we will not be bending or breaking on our policies. That is a promise!
We do not aim to be another Voat/Kiwifarms/Gab, to learn more about that, check out this post here: https://burggit.moe/post/5280 We will definitely step in if needed to prevent things going in that direction.
As for why people block us. Lemmy.ml is heavy communist instance, you can not say anything even semi-negative about China, North Korea, or other communist countries over there without an immediate ban. So, we were bound to be defederated from them.
Other instances probably saw we are loli friendly and immediately assumed the worst. A large swath of people think that loli and IRL CSAM/CSEM are essentially the same thing and do the exact same damage, which is, frankly, retarded. << That could be another reason why other instances block us, we have no interest in moderating slurs/offending language so long as people are not directly harassing individuals or groups of individuals directly. This could explain Beehaw’s defederating us, since they are very much as “safe space” instance. Users can’t even make their own communities on there without the higher ups facilitating it.
Hopefully this answers your questions. We’re happy to have you here, and we hope to see you along for the ride as we continue to grow! Enjoy the ride.
A large swath of people think that loli and IRL CSAM/CSEM are essentially the same thing
Doesn’t help that some countries have outlawed lolis, treating them the same as CSAM which I assume would make owners of instances in those jurisdictions hit the defederate button asap to avoid having nuclear material on their hard drive.
