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My US city put one in in downtown. It would be fine should they have their own lane that bypassed traffic, but no thoughts were given to it’s actual implementation. They picked a loop path that goes from two lanes to one frequently. They simply placed the track on the road and kept car street parking on the other side. So you get the pleasure of waiting in traffic on the tram and the tram getting stuck because someone poorly parked their monster truck. Top that off with it was open 10am til 6pm when it first started, but downtown doesn’t have much going on during the day. They’ve changed times now but it barely scratches the surface of use issues. As someone fully for public transportation, this has been so poorly done it’s very frustrating. I do hope they have more fixes in the future.
Most US cities are doing trams for tourist purposes not transport. The bus is better than a tram in almost all cases, it doesn’t need track maintenance ,can go around obstacles, can change routes quickly if you didn’t get it perfect in advance.
The disadvantage of a bus is they can hold 1)at most 100 people, and can’t come more often than every 5 minutes. If you are running into that limit a tram might be right for you. (Even then think carefully , a subway might be better)
That photo is from Helsinki. Around Eira I think?
I was thinking Vallila but you’re probably right!
You are right. This is in Vallila, I tracked down the red building on the right, it is Mäkelänkatu 19.
This tramline used to be my commute briefly. Very picturesque
We have very similar trams here, they are quite neat when they travel in their regular 10 minute interval. But once they go into night mode e.g. every 30 minutes it makes them a lot less useful further outside of the city. But thats critique on a high level, they perform really well and in 95% of cases I don’t have to check a timetable to catch one to work or uni.
I wish my city would have trams, they’re one of the best means of transit
I have fond memories of a couple of metro lines in Berlin that had part of their routes going thru parks without the usual road the metros go along. It always gave me a little feeling of magic when suddenly we were going thru beautiful nature instead of the Big City.
… and you call these grassy trams despite them clearly driving on lichen…
Wtf! Where is this? China ?
Put them underground
I like trains because if I notice I forgot something important 20 minutes into a one hour commute it will set me back two hours and forty minutes.
That’s the dumbest argument for cars I’ve ever heard. And I’ve heard a lot of dumb ones.
Why would you go the whole way to your destination and not exit the next stop to return home?
I take the express train. I don’t want my one hour commute to be a two hour commute because they stop for five minutes every 8 minutes and have to get back up to speed. I already have to wake up ten minutes earlier to take the light rail, change trains to a local, take that three stops to a hub, and change to the express train. I should just buy a car.
Oh damn. That kind of sucks :/ do you often forget things at home?
I really enjoy commuting by train + bike, it is really cheap and kind of fun to be active before and after work. But my commute (at least the train part) is quite a bit shorter.
Depending on weather or track maintenance/construction I often think about getting a car as well. But then I remember how stressful commuting by car is and that thought is gone
One time I did all my grocery shopping for the month by train but I had to bring six friends to help carry everything home and I had to pay for all their tickets there and back. I bought them all dinner for wasting hours in their day to do what one person could trivially accomplish with one car. It actually ended up being cheaper to just pay the premium for instacart and tip the driver.
What does any of that have to do with trams that run every 5 minutes 🙄
Edit: oh, I see, you’re just a troll trying to stir up shit. Please get banned soon, thx.
Why the fuck would you do all your grocery shopping for a month all at once? Do you not live anywhere near civilization?
Well as apparently it takes them hours to get to their destination… probably not.
Why is this a valid point in the urbanism instance then?
Living in Europe I completely don’t share that sentiment.
Cars should be used only when necessary and actually save significant proportion of time, otherwise cities become inhospitable hellholes and everyone loses (including cars now stuck in traffic).
But then again, I don’t forget things too often, and in other post I saw you said that you regularly need to make a 3 part jurney. This would be a good situation to get a car.
Extremely relevant to bring up in a post about urbanism and trams of course. So did this experience make you hate all public transport by association?
If your commute is an hour by train, it’s gonna be like >2 hours by car in traffic. But sure, if you ignore all the benefits of trains and only look at the downsides they look bad.
In all seriousness I have commuted into a major city for various gigs throughout my life, including driving in at trades rush hour (5-6am), driving in at normie rush hour (7-10am), and driving in at off hours (around 11am-12pm) and a one hour drive leaving at 5am would be a two hour drive leaving at 7am and it would be a 30 minute drive at 11:30am. Taking the train in generally took about an hour ± 20 minutes depending on getting to the station, finding parking, and catching the correctly timed train. The delicious baked-in luxury of being alone and going wherever you want in a car instead of having to pile in another fart tube with 100 other people also rules.
The real answer is: it’s complicated and painting everyone with the same brush is kind of shitty.
Don’t forget things.
