He’s being pushed as some kind of saviour when he isn’t. He’s an average finisher, not bad, not great. He’s definitely better than Nketiah is right now but he’s not £80m better.
I think Eddie is a consistent 4/10 and even I agree that toney is a waste of 80M.
No one’s paying that
I didn’t think Caicedo would go for £125m, Antony for £85m, Havertz for what we paid, or Mudryk for €100m 12 months after a €20m bid was accepted, but here we are.
I’ve never believed we were seriously interested in Toney. It’s always felt like all the smoke has come from the player’s camp, so I find it funny there’s been constant talk about it.
I don’t think it will really matter whether Toney’s better than Eddie. It’s not the right comparison, in my opinion. For the money, we should be asking if he’s better than Jesus–or if he is on the cusp of being better.
We’ve spent a lot of money recently, and we’ve needed to, but we’re Arsenal not Manchester United or Man City or Chelsea. I can’t imagine we’re spending Toney money on a 28yo striker in the summer, much less in the January window.
We bought wright and Auba at 28 and we do either deal 100 times out of 100 over again. Toney will age 100x better than Auba due to playstyle and having way less miles on his body than his counterparts, similar to wrighty who we had absolutely no issue with longevity wise
Whether it’s the right player and other factors, those actually play into it, not acting like 28 is ancient (which he hasn’t even turned yet)
Yes, we are the Arsenal. And Toney is no Auba.
We also shifted Giroud, Coquelin, Theo and Alexis that window to do it.
I agree that Toney is not Auba but that doesn’t answer the common crap everyone talks about him being too old
I can’t speak for others, but I don’t think it’s that he’s simply too old, period. It’s the the money Brentford will want for him combined with the fact people see him as a back up/Eddie replacement/plan B signing on top of his age. It seems like a bad use of the money.
None of us can name a striker anywhere near his value for money in this market
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on likelihood and wisdom of Arsenal signing Toney. I’m fine with that.
We bought Wright back in the day when age curves weren’t as prevalent.
Look at how much Auba regressed after that new contract all to go on a free. Money flushed down the drain after that deal. He was worth the initial investment before that though
He’s a different profile.
Same way Rice is a different type of 6, and not head and shoulders above Partey
Yes, he’s a different profile. I don’t think we plan to sign a “plan B” CF for Toney money. I also don’t think Arteta wants to change the way we play to start Toney over Jesus. (He’s already signed someone who can change our physical profile in the box for particular situations when we might need it: Havertz.)
It’s hard for me to see Toney as competition for Jesus–which is what you’d want–but it’s comparison I think people should be making.
Is he a different profile? He’s a center forward whose game is based around holdup play, physicality, and defensive intensity, and his record from open play suggests he is not a particularly good finisher when the ball falls to him in the box.
Sounds like he’s a pretty similar profile, which explains why we would be interested but not at £70 million.
He is a completely different profile despite having a hold up skill set lol, you’re confusing skills and profile
Please enlighten me on how he is a different profile then, since it doesn’t sound like he provides much different from what we already have other than being a bit bigger
we’re Arsenal? we should spend the money on quality if it’s needed
I have my reservations about Toney but I think a lot of what he does well isn’t fully represented in stats.
Toney is a bum. Man’s sitting on his arse because he can’t follow the golden rule.
Is Eddie the best #9 in the world? Not a chance. Has he proven multiple times now that he is a more than serviceable backup, who doesn’t rock the boat when he returns to the bench and clearly has the right attitude and mindset to fulfil his role in the squad? Absolutely.
Stop. Slandering. The. Prince.
The people willing to click on a post and throw out their opinions while not engaging with the actual substance of the post are amusing.
Scott: “well i looked at the data and they seem pretty similar, though i suspect toney shades it.”
Redditors: “well who cares about the data, i have prior opinions and ‘graphs’ are complicated.”
I’m certain Eddie has had more than enough chances to cement a place, and consistently isn’t quite up to the level required. So yes, Toney is the better option at the very least. And if he doesn’t work out, then he can be sold as well.
The short answer is yes.
The long answer is yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
So many morons don’t understand Nketiah place in squad. He is going to be excellent backup and will spend many years at Arsenal. The plan was always to bring world class striker (or someone who has potential to be world class) eventually and he will be target of next summer and Eddie willkve to role of 3rd striker when everyone is healthy.
He’s not an excellent backup because he provides nothing off the bench as a sub.
It’s the wrong argument. If we’re going to get a striker, it should be to compete with Jesus. You don’t replace Eddie by signing someone to compete for back up. You replace him because Jesus is now the back up.
This is the correct logic.
Apples and oranges mate… they’re completely different profiles. Toney’s profile is one we desperately need - big man that can hold up ball and bring others in but technical enough to drop deeper and connect play when required.
The links to Ivan Toney do not excite me at all, especially not for the money being reported.
He’s not worth £60m for me, but he’s proven he can score goals in this league. We create more than Brentford, so he will eventually pay us back, provided he hasn’t any more gambling issues.
They’re different types of player and I know the fee will be big for Toney but that’s what you’re going to have to pay for an established PL striker. Toney would be far more effective than Eddie and that for me isn’t up for debate.
Isn’t Watkins better still?
Absolutely not
Ivan Toney is good but is he Arsenal good? Probably not. Being linked to him is always baffling. Shouldn’t we be going for a high caliber striker who is guaranteed to be smashing in goals within the 20-25 range? I mean, our golden boys in Speedy Gabi, Captain Ö, and Starboy got 14 goals at least apiece. So naturally we’d be wanting someone who has the capability to match Auba’s tally at his highest if not more? Toney doesn’t seem to be the player to get us there.