Look I’m a City fan, but even I can see the media has gone over the top today. The managers United have had should have achieved more but it seems the system is broken.
I tend to agree with Goldbridge in thinking what comes after Ten Hag?
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He is a good coach. Even asking this is dumb and shows that most football fans can’t analyze situations for themselves!
Please keep him forever…Its like Potter and Chelsea…i was so sad when he left…
Liverpool fan for transparency.
No. There are a half dozen reasons for United being where they are.
The manager is low on that list.
He’s not amazing clearly, but changing manager again is just that definition of madness thing.
Trying the same thing again and again, expecting a different outcome.
Ten Haag is not bad, players just not having it anymore and downed the tool (per usual).
If Ten hag is sacked, then the following players had 4 managers sacked:
- Shaw
- Martial
- Rashford
- Lindelof
- Mctominay
- Dalot
The following players would have sacked 3 managers:
- Wan Bissaka
- Maguire
- Bruno
- Van de beek
- Pellistri
- Sancho
- Varane
Now lets take a look at a popular team that had a manager join, the players were shit, fans wanted him out at times, but the club supported him, got rid of the deadwood and they won a title:
AC MILAN
Pioli joined Oct 9 2019
The following is a list of player that are still on Milan’s squad that Pioli inherited:
- Calabria (captain)
- Pobega (bench)
- Caldara (lol)
- Theo (top player)
- Krunic (bennacer replacement, kinda shit tbh)
- Leao (top player)
- Bennacer (great mid for milan who always gives his 110%)
I think this speaks for it’s self.
My point: The issue is the deadwood players in Man Utd more than the manager.
If Ten Hag is sacked and these players stay, they will be in the same positon in 1 or 2 years.
Yes. Incredibly.
Oh, you said Bad! Apologies, I misread the title.
They’re quite rotten at the core. Reckon you need an elite manager to sort them out.
I reckon if someone like Klopp came in he would get there act together, drop anyone who doesn’t work hard without hesitation. Then he would actually make good signings in the transfer window.
United have being buying really badly and Ten hag is part to blame. I mean Antony for 80m with his stinking attitude? Klopp never would never have signed him. Sancho as well.
Yes he is that bad
We’ve seen managers come into a club and within the space of a few months set up a system of play and an identity which gets both fan and player buy in. Ange at Spurs, Emery at Villa, O’Neil at Wolves, De Zerbi at Brighton etc.
Meanwhile United still look like 11 individuals running about every week, relying on individual moments and player quality, you almost never see United scoring team goals, there just isn’t the brains behind it.
And that is after a full season under Ten Hag, so when you add that to that his comments about not having the players he needs to play his style, when he’s signed loads of ‘his players’, he is just out of his depth.
Its nothing to do with the ownership, that is a seperate issue.
The issue for United is if they do sack Ten Hag which i assume will happen at some point this season, they are lumbered with a bunch of players who they paid top dollar for and who you assume future managers won’t want, Antony, Onana, Mount etc.
Its just a basketcase
the media has gone over the top today.
Today?
You ask If the manager that breaks negative records every other week and buys mid table quality players for world class quality prices is bad? Nah, he is doing great.
He’s not a bad manager. I just don’t think he was ready for the United move. The job is a poison chalice. But you can only blame that so much. He also has his share of the blame for how bad United are doing.
He’s made those signings, they’ve all been pretty bad. He’s spent a fortune. He doesn’t seem to have been able to implement his philosophy. Some of his signings I really don’t understand (mount). A lot of the problems they are having are down to him.
But sacking him is not the answer. Because if not him, who? They sack him, it will be the same old shit in a year. They need a full rebuild, with a proper structure. Scouts. competent DoF and probably to change the philosophy of their signings. Whoever is in charge will need at least a couple of years.
A lot of the problems seem to be behind the scenes. Unless they are fixed, United will keep running into the same issues. I think the priority will be to get rid of the problem players and in the meantime rebuild the backroom staff from the Director of Football down to the ground staff, and you know… not throw your staff under the bus. Have good personalities and instil a culture that befits the club. Fan engagement need to be improved, as long as they feel involved and can see that the club is going in the right direction they will accept not winning cups and titles for a while.
He’s fantastic! (If you’re a City fan)
The question i would ask is…Assuming Pep or Klopp accepted that job…would they fair any better?
I would say it’s a mix of him not having players that naturally suit his style of play and also maybe not being confident in his style/philosophy with how difficult the premier league can be. It isint Ajax anymore where he rarely had to adapt in game, tactically he has been caught out a bit.
In a word yes. He has lost the dressing room already.