1. Invite a lefty mod to moderate the leftists commenting in bad faith (I have someone in mind for this). I’m doing this because my bad-faith-o-meter is completely broken for lefties.

  2. Grow a pair, and start moderating properly. Yes there will be borderline cases, that’s the hard part. No more ignoring “a short drop and a quick stop” because it doesn’t have a keyword in it. ( I got so many reports on that one, and eventually an admin from another instance stepped in. )

  3. Implement proper mod rules. Things such as “Always send a message or a comment reply when taking an action, because lemmy doesn’t do that and having to check mod logs is bad ux” and “on the first instance of a rule breaking comment, warn and let them edit their comment, because removing a comment is effectively the same as deleting and they can’t edit a removed comment” I’ll probably fuck up at some point, but damn it I’m trying.

  4. Try and make peace with lemmy.world because somehow lemmy.world blocked this sub without defeding from lemm.ee (No seriously, check out this link, https://lemmy.world/c/[email protected]) I’m also banned from lemmy.world, never got a message about either, but that’s a bit off topic.

  5. Get rid of rule 3, The one about the keywords “Nazi” and “Fascist” being not allowed. The bad-faith rule should cover what rule 3 was trying to do, but better.

  • Pons_Aelius@kbin.social
    72·
    10 months ago

    Let me get this correct.

    You want to step up and start moderating the lefties but are also upset that an instance has decided to block this community and you?

    Is that correct?

    I thought freedom of speech and freedom of association went hand in hand.

    • Throwaway@lemm.eeOPM
      27·
      10 months ago

      No its not correct. I want to moderate everyone on the sub, not just the lefties. I want a moderator for the leftists because I cant tell when bad faith.

      And its ultimately up to lemmy.world, I’m just sending an email to their support.

      • Pons_Aelius@kbin.social
        22·
        10 months ago

        I want a moderator for the leftists because I cant tell when bad faith.

        Does the leftist moderator only have the right to moderate those users you classify as lefties?

        Or can they moderate everyone they see arguing in bad faith?

        Finally, why do you think anyone would want this role?

  • Bongo_Stryker@lemmy.ca
    3·
    10 months ago

    Seems sensible but I feel doubtful that lemmy.world can be talked into to changing their minds. Maybe it’s not worth worrying about them.

    Seems like a good idea to get someone to help with moderation, and it makes sense to choose someone that can provide a different perspective. The hard part is choosing someone trustworthy that will help instead of adding complication.

  • PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com
    33·
    10 months ago

    #1 Would need to have a transparent framework for what bad faith means. A lot of problems stem from ambiguity. The greater clarity, the more likely folks will follow the rules.

    #2 I’m…not really sure what “moderating properly” means…

    #3 sounds fine.

    #4 The person that said lemmy.world just doesn’t want to see conservative views may be right. Idk.

    #5 That rule kinda facilitates discussion actually, but does so in the negative and forces the argument to be roundabout by precluding vocabulary. I think those words have meaning and can be relevant with an attending argument. And, again, a bad faith rule would need to be transparent.

    • Throwaway@lemm.eeOPM
      11·
      10 months ago

      What would you say to a bad-faith definition of “insult with no substance or argument”?

      • PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com
        21·
        10 months ago

        Well, it would permit insults along with arguments or substance.

        I think some of us would get hung up on the insult and completely ignore the argument.

    • Throwaway@lemm.eeOPM
      12·
      10 months ago

      Regarding the meaning of bad faith, that’s the tricky bit. It’s something I was trying to avoid by doing keyword based moderation. (Again, in hindsight, that was a bone headed idea). Coming up with a proper definition that’s both clear and doesn’t screw up the point of the sub is difficult to say the least. The main thing is intention, but I can’t read minds, and it’s just not as transparent as I’d like.

      As for moderating properly, I mean moderating like every other moderator. Using my brain instead of acting like a poorly made automod. I’m not sure if that makes sense, but I hope it does. I’m not joking when I say I was doing keyword-based moderating, I was literally only taking action when it had a slur or the words “Nazi” or “Fascist”, which was not a good thing.

      As for lemmy.world, I know they probably just don’t want conservatives on there, but fingers crossed they will let this sub back on there.

      • PizzaMan@lemm.ee
        22·
        10 months ago

        which was not a good thing.

        I am pleasantly shocked you are owning up to your mistake.

  • TJD@sh.itjust.works
    37·
    10 months ago

    Lmao lemmy.world always on some dumb shit it seems. Their shitty decisions know no bounds. Buncha reddit admin wannabes

    • PizzaMan@lemm.ee
      42·
      10 months ago

      Given that their instance rules prohibit people telling others to kill themselves, using slurs, etc, and this sub has had a problem with it, it seems only fair for then to ban this sub. Whether or not that was the reason they did so is another story. But absolutely justified.

        • Throwaway@lemm.eeOPM
          15·
          10 months ago

          You could still point it out, it was just literally two words. It is not hard. Just say “This is awfully close to 1940s Germany rhetoric” instead of “Trump is a nazi”

          I thought i had made that clear, but so many leftists failed to see it.