I’ve driven a zf8speed for a while and it’s pretty great, more fun to shift a bunch with the shorter ratios it makes you feel like the car is actually fast. But I work Amazon and these ford transits have a 10speed.
My issues are:
1)it always over up shifts. It never uses second gear ever. It will always go to 3rd and you’ll be in fking 4th by 12mph. So I find that it has to constantly down and upshift when I need the slightest bit of power which coming from driving manuals just feels bad. Like bro stop working so hard just wait to shift till 2.5k rpm. Im always hitting the gas then if I have to let off for one second even on a big uphill it will just upshift to like 6th or seventh. And then all the way back to 3rd one second later when I need to power up the hill again.
- this is the biggest issue imo, the final gear ratio doesn’t even reduce rpm comparitevely to my 8speed at say 80mph the revs are almost the same. Bro if your gonna add two gears make it the same ratio as the 8 with two extra so I’m at like 1k rpm on the highway. Why bother with the 10 speed if I’m still gonna be at 2.5k rpm at 80mph.
Ok random rant over, this is what happens when you drive on vehicle too often for an annoying job. You start really nitpicking everything that gets slightly on your nerves lol
definitely
Unpopular opinion: I actually want to see more single speed hybrids. Koenigsegg did it, why can’t other manufacturers?
Don’t you need a lot of power to get that going though? May as well just use full electric and skip that step
But as a car enthusiast I would love to see that idea
I’ve owned several 10 spd in Furds with 3.5 EB and when tuned right with a 5 Star tuner, they are fantastic.
Stock, the shift strategy is garbage, especially 3-5 and 5-3. The exception is the 23 trucks. I have 23 Platinum and Limited Powerboost at the moment they shift nice even stock. The Limited truck was recently Livernois tuned.
10 spd = marketing department is very scarred of CVT, but to meet CAFE we need a CVT
Am absolutely amazed by the 10 in the F-150 Raptor. Flawless and so much better than expected.
10 speeds improve engine life and MPG. They are not meant to improve acceleration.
10 Speeds are good but it all depends on the programming. I’ve been in GM Products that had the 10 Speed and it shifted smoothly and quickly while the Ford version was clunky and confused a lot of the time, I rented a ‘22 Explorer earlier this year with the 2.3 4/10 Speed combo and it never knew what gear to get into and was very unrefined which is saying something given that my daily is a ‘16 Passat with the 6-Speed DSG and I also had a 2004 Explorer with only 5 speeds
My 10 speed is really a 7 speed with three overdrive gears.
Had a 2015 Evoque for a while that had the ZF-9HP. It too always started off in 2nd, leaving you 8 highway gears. 1st was only used when you went into one of the offroad modes or manually shifted it. It worked well except I hated the 4-5 shift in that transmission because it used a dog clutch and was always very rough and also had an odd ratio.
IIRC about the same time Jeep had used that same transmission in one of their small crossover chassis but it also had a taller gear in the differentials and it always started in 1st, but because the engine didn’t have enough power to spin the final ratio once it went into 9th gear it would cause something to go wrong (I forget exactly what, maybe stall the engine on the highway?), so they had thousands of them sitting on lots waiting for a software update that would permanently lock them out of ever using 9th gear.
I drove a Ford Transit for 5 years and the transmission made me want to kill myself. We all drove them in manual mode only because of exactly what you are complaining about. It’s in 6th gear going 40km/h
I think the problem is you’re driving transmissions tuned for efficiency and expecting them to perform like Porsches.
Agreed 10 speeds is too many. My Fusion has a six speed automatic and that seems plenty . My old pickup has a 4 speed (4.5 if want to call the torque converter locking up) automatic.
I always thought the point of more gears was improving fuel efficiency. Not providing power. My pickup is plenty quick with only 4 gears.
10 speed in my Accord is great imo
Is this an issue of having too many gears or is it an issue of lousy transmission programming?
I literally have no idea what you are talking about as a former Camaro owner. It was basically always ready to go. lightning fast shifts. the problems you mention just straight up didn’t exist.
The shifts are very fast, my issue was the programming. For specifically delivery driving it just upshifts too quickly. When I’m weighed down it will over upshift to like 4th by 15mph and I either have to bog the engine or almost floor it to get it back to 2nd. It ends up being a constant shift fest where as soon as it upshifts back to 5th or 6th I immediately need it back in 3rd. To the point where I just keep it in manual now so I can force it to stay in the power band for longer than .5 seconds