If only he didn’t try to undo the results of the 2020 election, then maybe nobody would be investigating him for trying to overturn the 2020 election. Really makes you think… if it can happen to him, it can happen to one of us who tries to overturn an election. And what kind of a world would that be?
A democratic one… shudders
Unless he’s indicted (for this one), put on trial, found guilty, and incarcerated he and people like him won’t stop. Only full penalty will make people think otherwise about doing what he did. Until then, wealth and the potential upside will override any perceived threat the justice system can offer.
Jail time won’t stop the next one. The only reason they’re even investigating is because he failed.
That can be said for any insurrection, though. Had he not failed he’d be in a position of absolute power so of course nothing would be done. This one failed because everyone involved couldn’t pass the same brain cell around fast enough to not act like teenagers in the principles office.
Yeah next time they’ll probably just bring more weapons.
I think that is optimistic even then. Even if all that happens to him, there are still those who would try again.
Either way, hopefully he can be held truly accountable to all his crimes.
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Even then, you’re still talking about the sort of people who are so far up their own assholes, they’ll run for president and believe they should win. They’re better, they’re smarter and they’ll never get caught so why worry about the consequences? Those only happen to other people.
I’m all for burning the bastard (figuratively, feds!) but don’t expect it to deter the next one.
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It’s not like the 2016 election had any problems or anything.
I’ll believe it when the DOJ says it. Trump could tell me the sky is blue and I’d still go check to make sure.
That’s a good rule to live by but I think we can take this one at face value. He’s definitely going to get indicted again.
And based on his history of never being punished for anything ever, nothing is likely to come of it.
But at least it sets a precedent that being president doesn’t make someone 100% immune.
Trump has been punished thousands of times by the legal system. He’s been sued way more than other rich people because he commits small crimes as part of his business. Stop saying he’s never been punished.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_and_business_legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump
What you mean is, he hasn’t been punished enough. This year is the first time he’s been criminally indicted. If it follows his history, he’s going to plead guilty and try to negotiate probation.
He never fights unless the opponent is small. The State of New York has won against him many times. He actually rolls over very easily compared to actual mob bosses.
Being sued and losing money in court cases that has no negative impact on lifestyle is just the cost of business, not punishment.
Like getting caught stealing a pack of gum, and as a punishment you have to give back half the pack.
In his case more like stealing all the candy and making him giving back a half a pack of gum.
More like the punishment is having to give back the one stick you’ve already chewed.
He never fights unless the opponent is small. The State of New York has won against him many times. He actually rolls over very easily compared to actual mob bosses.
This is because the only “punishment” he has ever received has either been a slap on the wrist and forced to pinky swear to not do it again this week, or a “fine” that amounts to a small percentage of the profit he made committing the crimes and would barely qualify as a rounding error on his tax returns.
If the punishment handed down is not an effective deterrent, it’s not a punishment. It’s just a tax.
I was hearing a few days ago that a target letter was either in the works, or already delivered, although at that time, the person who was the target was not released. I’d believe it.
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Settle down, Francis. MSNBC was reporting it, as well as other media outlets.
Well lately it’s been like a hazy orange so I’d definitely double check.
The last time Trump received a target letter from the DOJ (6/7/23) he was indicted two days later (6/9/23).
Let’s hope for a similar timeline.
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I was originally thinking this timeline would hold, but apparently the letter gives him 4 days to report to the grand jury. So, assuming he got the letter on Sunday as I believe he said, he might be given this week and next week to testify. If so, we could see an indictment the week afterwards.
On an unrelated note, my birthday is the week after next. I know what I’d like Jack Smith to get me for my birthday! And if Fani Willis wants to give me a present as well, I will definitely celebrate seeing that. 😁
Bro, Trump and its friends are giving bad ideas to politics here too in Italy. That would be world celebration
DOJ, don’t give me hope.
Who knew that if you try to overturn the results of a democratically held election that you’d be brought up on charges?!? I think my favorite part is that it looks likely that some of the fake electors they tried to install flipped in exchange for immunity deals.
I can’t believe a twice impeached twice indicated disgraced former President would get indicted a third time. It’s a hatrick of indictments.
You forgot, he also lost the popular vote twice too.
You think he’s tired of winning yet?
And this one’s probably not going to be in front of a Trump-appointed judge in a Republican-controlled circuit in a county full of Trump-voting prospective jurors who also suffer from whatever brain parasite makes someone choose to live in Florida.
(he may well “randomly” be assigned to one of his DC district appointees, but none of them are anywhere near as bad as Cannon, and the DC Circuit is far, far less Trump-friendly than the 11th)
I’ve heard rumors stating basically that’s the exact reason Smith indicted him at that Florida court for the documents, stating that the law insisted he do so where the crime was committed
That way he could do the big one in DC, which is wildly Blue, and nobody could blame him
You typically bring the federal case in the circuit where the crime was committed. In the case of the classified documents, that’s Florida. An argument could be made for DC, since that’s where Trump removed the documents, or New Jersey, since there’s evidence that he had documents in his club in Bedminster. However, the bulk of the evidence points to Mar-A-Lago so Florida is where the documents case goes.
The insurrection case, though, happened in DC and will take place there. Trump’s not going to get a Judge Cannon in DC. Nor can he hope that his lawyers get a rabid Trump supporter in the jury willing to lock up all deliberations no matter the evidence.
You nailed it
I hope you’re right.
Throw this orange shitstain in jail already and be done with it.
Id be happy with the death penalty, you know just to be sure
Hanssen’s old cell is open. Just sayin’.
Oh shit, where’s the megathrea-
…sorry folks, old habits! 😆
I HATED those threads. Since karma doesn’t matter here no reason to have those.
I think it was more an attempt to not flood the sub with one event, because they aggregated the list of topical articles on the megathread and restricted any new submissions on the subject
We may not need them here right now, but those megathreads serve a purpose. If it weren’t for those, the entire sub would be flooded with the same news article from 92705278 different sources every time a politician so much as sneezes.
If this community gets big enough to warrant it, I’d support seeing the same here.
I think we will figure out something in the next few months once the modbot testing is complete. It will be better than megathreads and utilize the Fediverse advantages.
Thanks for all the work you’re doing over here!
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We are testing the first bot now, it’s in training now learning what to report and what not to report.
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I think they serve a purpose, which is to focus the numerous posts so the whole community doesn’t get overridden with by topic for the whole day.
On Reddit we created those because on thread would give a user 10K posting karma. Users would game the system to do it so megathreads were created to eliminate the karma farming. Lemmy points don’t mean anything and you can only see points on certain apps like Connect for Lemmy.
Certainly no love lost here, but I’m not sure I follow the relation of karma and megathreads. I thought they were just a way to keep multiple posts on a particularly hot topic from flooding a sub?
I understand the need to prevent major topics from flooding the sub, but at the same time megathreads were kind of lame - especially as new info and reporting arose. I usually browse my subscriptions or All, rather than sticking to a single community. So it’s very easy to miss stuff if it’s only in one thread.
That’s a fair point!
Seth Abramson was a writing teacher with an expired Vermont law license and no federal experience who somehow tweeted his way into having everybody take his 7,000-word opinions seriously even after several of them proved to be spectacularly wrong. (perhaps the most impressive of all of the anti-Trump grifters)
Okay…
He’s still better and smarter than every single anti-american magat.
Updated the indictment timeline here:
Good. Fuck Daniel Tramp.
Ronald Rump is hankering for a spankering
I think he will get the rich assholes slap on the wrist.
But treason is a capital crime …
Not good optics to have that level of transgression go unpunished.
Fully expecting him to live the rest of his life comfortably under house arrest. If he lives through the trial. He do be old and unhealthy.
If they can’t put Trump in a prison, due to the Secret Service needing to protect him, I say convert Mar-A-Lago to a Trump prison.
Kick everyone except Trump (and the Secret Service, guards, etc) out. Remove all the cushy stuff from his room and give him a standard prison issue cot. Keep him in his room for 20 hours a day with no phone, computer, or TV. Let him go you the empty dining hall to eat - but replace his gourmet food (or what passed for gourmet food at Mar-A-Lago) with standard prison slop.
Let him slowly rot away inside Mar-A-Lago, haunted by the memories of when he rubbed shoulders with top people in those very halls.
There is a 0% chance he gets tried for treason. I struggle to even imagine how one could think he committed treason, as described in the Constitution.
Edit: not making excuses for this POS. Treason is literally defined in the constitution and it’s a narrow definition
Article III, Section 3, Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court
Hopefully he gets another dozen+ felonies though. At some point they stack so high that “rich guy leniency” can’t possibly matter.
Hoping he follows in the footsteps of my home state’s biggest piece of shit: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdoh/pr/former-ohio-house-speaker-sentenced-20-years-prison-leading-racketeering-conspiracy
An actual treason prosecution is incredibly difficult and hasn’t been done in over a century, IIRC, thus Seditious Conspiracy would be more likely - easier to prove and easier to prosecute.
That would really make my year, honestly.
I’ll have “No shit, Sherlock” for $200, Alex.
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Good. Hope he goes down for all of his crimes.
Why did it take this long?
This is fast for a Federal investigation. Government moves slow but it does work.
At least it will until after No Labels both sides Fat Joffrey back into office in 2024
If it was the left assaulting congress and Biden attempting to coerce election officials the indictments would have been out within weeks of the enactment of martial law after Jan 6.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, for the Orange One), DOJ drug their feet in regards to investigating Trump’s role in the Jan 6th insurrection. That definitely slowed things down.
Well that is shitty. I am all for being cautious, but I want it to extend to non violent offenders and drug crimes as well. Just because The Donald is rich and white doesn’t mean he should get special treatment. Though of course it does.
100% agreed. As I understand it, the DOJ’s excuse was that they didn’t want to “look political” by investigating him. Literally a two tiered system when a person is treated with kid gloves because of political status.
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