The scariest thing I hear time and time again from Christians is the following.
“I don’t trust people who don’t believe in god because they have no moral compass.”
They say this in such a matter of fact way. Most people have a good understanding of right and wrong without a rule book. For many that “moral compass” is intrinsic, even instinctual. It is an evolved part of humanity that helps us operate within a society. The Christian’s are saying it is a core piece of humanity that they lack and since they model their perception of others after themselves they cannot fathom that concept. They are broken humans who without a ruler/leader would be dangerously unpredictable and violent as they have no system to make good choices. This is why those same people prefer a king.
They say all that while being shitty entitled people though. And they justify it by thinking they’re better than everyone else because they’re “godly”
The worst atrocities in history have been conducted by those who were convinced it was for a righteous cause. The quote goes
“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
― Steven Weinberg
It also kinda shows they don’t really know nor care what a moral compass even is. It isn’t a magical thing that lets a person know right from wrong, it’s just a set of beliefs to dictate what that person believes is right and wrong. I know what principles guide me and it doesn’t matter whether other people think it’s flawed or inconsiderate, it is exactly what it is, a guide, a compass.
Everyone has one, it just doesn’t necessarily fit within their standards.
I think that most Christians don’t feel that they personally need the leash, but are so pessimistic about society that they think everybody else needs the leash.
That’s not an unfair assumption though. I’m atheist and I agree that without laws and regulations people would tear each other apart over dumb shit
Which is fine because we have laws and whatnot. It really isn’t even an opinion thing. The vast majority of human history we did not have anything even resembling a government and the data from dug up humans is clear. We are murder machines. No mammal kills members of its own species as much as humans do. Even in modern times the experiment has been run when places lost their police forces.
Hot take (ayy lmao) hell doesn’t exists and it’s just a social construct
Just maybe the main issue is kind of the fact that nobody on either part of the discussion can properly read a fucking book.
Might be just my imagination playing with me, but most fucking people in the Bible were committing atrocities even despite being the main protagonists. And the ones that did not, were fucking murdered left and right.
Which is exactly what atheists have been saying the whole time, so I’m not sure what you mean when you say that nobody on either part can properly read a book.
Anyone in the Bible who isn’t Jesus isn’t meant to be a role model. The Bible is in fact very clear about that.
Where does it say that?
The entire (well most) Old Testament is the Jews constantly screwing up and doing terrible things while God continually face palms and fixes their mess. The whole reason Jesus is even on Earth is because there wasn’t a single soul who could’ve been a model human being otherwise.
That seems derived and also ignores the Patriarchs and Matriarchs of the first five books. Also the whole thing about Jesus living a perfect life is only found in one part of John right?
Not really. All of them are portrayed as doing things that Jewish culture would view unfavorably or immoral. God isn’t exactly giving a stamp of approval to each action of these figures. Pretty much any time they do anything good it is because God enabled them to do it either through miraculous acts or by instructing them.
Also Jesus is considered the son of God throughout the entire New Testament. Maybe the word “perfect” isn’t used, but he is portrayed as a model human being throughout. Otherwise his sacrifice wouldn’t be able to serve it’s purpose.
All of them are portrayed as doing things that Jewish culture would view unfavorably or immoral. God isn’t exactly giving a stamp of approval to each action of these figures. Pretty much any time they do anything good it is because God enabled them to do it either through miraculous acts or by instructing them.
Examples?
Also Jesus is considered the son of God throughout the entire New Testament.
Except in Mark and the Q source.
Examples?
Abraham, the OG benificiary of the covenant with God, lies about his wife twice. Moses kills an Egyptian. These are all things that the Commandments explicitly mark as immoral behaviors. Obviously the success the figures experienced also had nothing to do with their own ability, e.g. Moses did not part the Red Seas by himself.
Except in Mark and the Q source.
The first verse of Mark calls him the Son of God. The Q source is also a purely hypothetical book, so while it technically doesn’t say Jesus is the Son of God, it also doesn’t say anything at all until it is actually found.
Is that true!?
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I mean, I don’t have the perspective to speak on how a Jew might view major figures in the Old Testament. I would guess they would still view them as imperfect people as even major figures like David are portrayed as doing immoral things.
My bro Elijah was an absolute beast against the prophets of Baal bro teared a new one on them haha
Jael was fucking brutal dealing that fatality
And jehud was the least based Male at his time
I mean… That’s the whole point of Christianity, right? It’s not exactly refuting their beliefs.
That’s a good point. They think all people are bad people on leashes.
Though, while it may not refute their beliefs, it certainly makes an argument in favor of not allowing them to enact legislation.
Right. Basically, Christians would totally kill you if they didn’t think God would punish them
A while back I got to see a Buddhist Hell Garden. I remember wondering what freaken sociopath was given access to the resources to build this and why. If you haven’t seen one just imagine some horrible middle ages painting that the Catholics are ashamed of made with 3D and you can walk around looking at statues getting things crammed into their ass or in a boiling pot.
This is real religion. This isn’t the Disneyfied cleaned up Jesus loves the little children of the developed world.
Curiousity got the best of me so I image searched Buddhist Hell Garden and jesus what is wrong with human beings…
Take a stroll in one if you can.
I went to one in Thailand. Did you see the giant wok of lava too? Such good fun for children…
There are multiple ones there. The one I had the most time to see did have that. Wang Saen Suk
I mean that’s just one way to interpret it. Another way is that these myths are just stories of the human experience.
People take them seriously though, and often try to write laws based on their religion. They’re not simply myths, they are more dangerous than that.
The point I’m trying to make is that these things are open to interpretations. There are religious people who take them literally and other religious people who don’t.
Looks like dancers in a club x)
Hell is one huge, never ending rave party, confirmed.
From a utilitarian point of view, It Just Werks™
Yes, but every good person is a bad person on a leash
If you mean that they have training from childhood, society, the people around them, and their own instincts then yes.
In the very loose sense of the word. Guess you could also say every single ocean is just water with gravity acting on it.
If everyone just did what they wanted randomly, we’d have died out long ago, but hey, we’d be free!
Exactly. Every ocean is just a cloud being held down by gravity.
In these metaphors though, gravity (or the leash Kanda mentioned) would need to be: philosophy, trial and error, oxytocin, endorphins, historical knowledge, the ability to accrue knowledge in the first place, empathy, self interest, reproductive drive, natural selection, and more.
Remove all of the forces that make humans kind to each other… and you wouldn’t have humans anymore. Just like removing gravity would eliminate both oceans AND clouds.
Hot take, this is correct. When someone cuts me off in traffic and I want to murder them religion is all “hey don’t do that, it’s bad”. When I see pretty women my body and mind tells me I should try to have sex with all of them and religion is all “don’t listen to all of your urges, maybe your desires shouldn’t control you” When I see rich people with rich people things and my instinct is to steal all of their belongings and religion steps in and says “this is objectively wrong”
Hot take, you’re the person this meme is talking about.
Hot take, this is correct. When someone cuts me off in traffic and I want to murder them religion is all “hey don’t do that, it’s bad”. When I see pretty women my body and mind tells me I should try to have sex with all of them and religion is all “don’t listen to all of your urges, maybe your desires shouldn’t control you” When I see rich people with rich people things and my instinct is to steal all of their belongings and religion steps in and says “this is objectively wrong”
Hahahahaha, pure gold right there
Didnt you know there was no such thing as morals before religion? I thought it was common knowledge. Nevermind those religions that sacrificed humans and animals to gods or had child sex slaves because when I say religion, I mean Christianity. And everyone knows that Christians are the most moral people there are!
Why do religious people want to murder, rape, and steal so much?
I don’t need a religion to know those things are bad and not to do them.
Fuck I realized what this community was named after I posted and realized this was not the place for my hot take. Sorry guys! Carry on, totally respect/support you
Thought I deleted it soon enough. I tried
