Despite how terrible Burnley and Sheffield United have been so far this season, what’s keeping those two managers in their jobs? At least Luton have managed to adjust to the premier league and are now getting results after a poor start
We need to be doing better, but I don’t see why sacking the manager who got us here after 13 games is the answer. We’re improving, as long as that continues I don’t see a better option.
Since you’re asking the question, why are you against clubs sticking by their manager rather than pulling the trigger?
Also, at the bottom 1 win changes all the perception. Burnley for me has had so many defensive errors. Burnley in the championship last year totally dictated the tempo of the game and now they have to adjust to prem level attackers and their lack of possession. I find it hard to believe that one of the better CBs in prem history can’t improve your defense and help minimize errors.
Luton got promoted mostly due to their stingy defense last season, which bodes much better for early season in the prem.
You are right, but it’s worth pointing out that Burnley conceded the fewest goals last season.
But, to your point, we managed that through domination of possession and control of games rather than hunkering down and weathering the storm (which Luton did much more frequently)
It’s a harsh game and I’m not all for sacking managers. I do believe in giving people time but it’s a results business and wouldn’t be surprised if those two don’t last much longer. Can see what Burnley are trying to do and for Sheff Utd Heckingbottom should’ve gone after the 8-0
It’s still only a third of the way into the season. Things can still turn around and narratives in football move fast. Everyone had Luton to go down after the first 5 games but now some are saying they could stay up after some good performances and results.
We may see some sackings around Christmas time or just after if things don’t improve for either of those clubs.
Think losing to teams like Palace and West Ham at home has ended any chance of survival as good as those two teams are, fixtures at home against those kind of sides have to be key to picking up points for survival
We played better than both of those teams though. Go on fotmob and look at the stats or actually watch the games (imagine that)
13 games in they’ve played 6 of the top 8, think that’s pretty par for the course, given that you have to play everyone within 19.
The remaining teams we have to play are ranked 12.5/19.
As you’ve suggested, it’s obviously starting to level out after 2/3 of the first half of the season, but that’s still going to be a kinder fixture list than most.
Had a look, because that’s an interesting point. For the teams right down there, the average next 6 are:
Everton - 9.33
Sheff U - 10.83
Luton - 9.16
Bournemouth - 11.5
So you’ve definitely got a little edge, and playing Sheff U and Everton will be massive too. I also don’t rule out us (Forest) or Fulham getting dragged into it properly either!
Everton point deduction has given hopes to relegation teams as well so they will be more motivated thinking they have a chance to stay up
Think Bournemouth are in more danger than Everton
Burnley stuck with Dyche through many years of promotion and relegation between the Championship and Premier League. I am amazed that anyone is thinking that Kompany’s position is on the line. Burnley are not the type of club to fire a manager after a poor start to the season.
Haven’t they changed ownership since then?
Yes they have, however I believe that the owner will stick with VK, through this season and see how it works out. Additionally, if/when they go down, he’ll stick with him through the first half of next season also.
I am happy they are backing their manager. This current climate where a manager should get sacked after a few months of poor results is just terrible.
That’s all irrelevant as soon as you get new owners. The “type” of club you are is entirely defined by who owns the club. The previous owners were not the type to sack willy nilly, doesn’t mean the new owners are necessarily the same. Who do you think would be in a senior enough position to fire the manager, that has existed through the various ownerships, and has maintained a club philosophy like that? Very rarely. A DoF would do that if they retained their role across ownerships, but if you are reporting directly to the owner then the club takes its shape from the owners management style
JJ Watt (retired NFL player) Dude Perfect (Youtubers)
Must be other investors as well. But neither of those mentioned would seem to be driving any type of change without a clear DoF in charge.
Granted I do like both JJ and DP but I wouldn’t expect them to know the complexities surrounding promotion/relegation in the EPL
Think that JJ would know more about pro/rel than DP. His wife is a professional footballer.
Because changing manager won’t magically make their limited squads significantly better, and for some clubs stability is more important than committing organisational suicide on the altar of Premier League survival.
Sheffield United, Burnley and Luton will probably see survival as a bonus rather than an expectation this year, and hopping on an expensive managerial merry go round in November probably isn’t a key part of their strategies.
ecause changing manager won’t magically make their limited squads significantly better
Wish more club owner’s understood this. So many sacking coaches thinking bringing a new coach in will magically change everything. Leeds have been guilty of this over the past few years.
Wish more Redditors understood this too.
@ Watford
Bruh the average Brazilian team goes through like 4 coaches a year, no exaggeration.
Changing their manager can only help Sheffield United. Heckingbottom is awful and totally out of his depth
But can they get someone better? Someone who’s not out of their depth, but also willing to helm a bottom of the table team?
Burnley are playing long game with Kompany. Will get relegated, build squad further, and look to come back up the year after even stronger.
What’s not? Burnley might pull the trigger I don’t know how much they value Kompany but Sheffield United for example what are they seriously expecting Heckingbottom to do? It’s all well and good sacking but a replacement can’t necessarily work a miracle either in keeping a team up. I’m not sure there’s three teams worse than either of these so I think relegation is probably inevitable
I’m convinced VK will still be there come the start of next season
Sheff Utd has looked a mess for the past few years, I think the pandemic killed that club as they were doing so well back in the prem during 2019/20 and became one of the worst ever premier league sides the following. Find it weird that Paul Heckingbottom originally replaced Chris Wilder that season and is still there but with talk in the background of Wilder replacing him this year
I think we should encourage the concept of sticking by a manager rather than encouraging the toxic concept of sacking them when it isn’t panning out perfectly
Are they doing as well as expected and no worse? Yes. So no need to change. The reality is the gulf between the Prem and Championship
Do you honestly think different managers could have either of those sides in a better position? They both lack so much quality. It’s easy to say sack them but who is available to replace them, would want the job, and would get better results?
Yes, look at the evidence of last season where Leicester should’ve sacked Rodgers much earlier and likely would’ve stayed up. Leeds got big Sam in the door too late as well
Leeds and Leichester have a lot more money then Burnley and we’re both a lot more established in the prem
Look at the evidence of other clubs in a completely different scenario ?
Just as much chance with Burnley sacking the manager, still being relegated and then having to completely alter the play style and do no better in the championship
Yeah? Like look at Luton.
Even among the standards of newly promoted clubs they’re both doing shit. Is it really that impossible to imagine someone out there might be capable of doing at least a tiny bit better?
Maybe both clubs are tied to a certain style and are adamant that both managers are best suited for it? I’m sure both clubs would want to stay in the division, but if the boards of both clubs think that their styles of play are what they want to stick with then arguably that’s what they’ll live or die by.
It’s also a case of personnel- would changing to a more pragmatic manager change their fortunes, or are they suited to playing the way they are? Bringing in a manager suited for a rescue job potentially means spending to buy players that fit that too. It’s tricky because in the Championship they can blow teams away playing champagne football, whereas in the PL there will be a dozen clubs who do it better than them. You see it at least once a year with a promoted club.
Because the reactionary people like yourself expect it. Changing a manager now isn’t going to accomplish much, but that’s what you are conditioned to seeing.
Kompany signed a new 5 year contract in May so would presumably be very expensive to sack.
Heckinbottom is contract until 25/26 but clearly knows how to get out of the Championship. It wouldn’t surprise me if they are banking on going back down this season and taking the parachute payments and then him getting them promoted again right away by which point he will be back in the Prem with 1 year left on his contract so they can sack him cheaply if they are struggling again back in the Premi.
Should Burnley be challenging for Europe?
New manager doesn’t garuntee success. Both clubs have got something good going on in terms of what managers have built. Problem here is how cut of from rest of EFL prem is.
When teams are spending £100mil+ each window, how can any EFL club compete. IMO system needs to change, otherwise, top 10 prem might as well just have a super league and play each other 4 times a season, as their light years ahead of rest of country, even bottom half of prem.
It’s this. Look at the amount Forest spent and everyone said they’d be relegated yet it’s increasingly looking like this might be the approach that works if you want to stay in the Premier League after coming up.
The gap between the teams who finish 12-16th in the Premier League and the top of the Championship has never been greater.
When sacking a manager, you have to sit there and ask yourself as a club if there’s anyone available, or even interested in the job who could do better.
I know you’re a United fan, and your fanbase (as with most bigger Prem clubs) jumps to “get X out” as soon as results start to deteriorate, but that isn’t a sustainable way for smaller clubs to build.
Kompany is a decent, if green manager, and I think that once Burnley with all their new signings start to gel, they’ll be fine. That might come too late for it to mean anything this season, but clubs shouldn’t be panicking just because it hasn’t happened yet. Burnley will probably go down, and they’ll be fine. And will probably be in with a chance of coming straight back up with an even more experienced manager and a better-run team.
Low expectations. If the expectation is that they’ll be relegated and not win many games then you have to judge what a successful season is another way. It helps that the other promoted teams are similarly poor and the other Prem teams haven’t performed so poorly as to provide much hope. Things might change if Luton continue to win games but right now people are just knee jerking after their 2nd win, which if it wasn’t for Everton’s 10 point deduction, would still leave them in relegation.
Credit in the bank