Okay, configured the ID5 GTX with some extras and note that it is not as good as a Passat… and I am way above 65k in Germany. This is too expensive for a Volkswagen. Even if it is the GTX. Those cars will only go into leasing if you ask me.
Why is it so expensive in Germany? In the US the ID.4 tops out around 55k USD for fully loaded AWD Pro S Plus, and I’d say the refresh will only add 1000-2000 to the list price at most. The version to get in my opinion is a well equipped RWD which would be just under 50k USD here in the states. With some light haggling with the dealer and taking the 7500 lease EV credit which VWoA passes along to the customer, you could get it for a net price of just under 40k which is fairly competitive.
Germans are willing to pay more than Americans. Many German cars are cheaper in the USA than in Germany and some cars aren’t offered here like the VW Atlas.
New software, backlit sliders, faster acceleration, additional range, faster charging, there aren’t many problems left with the car. It’s the ordinary/boring option, but many people don’t want a car that stands out.
The sliders are gonna be backlit? Is it because of the id7 and buzz?
All MEB plattforms are moving to a better UX.
The interior sucks
The biggest improvement besides the power/range gains from the new motor is the interior refresh. From what I’ve seen, it’s MILES better than the current version and makes it much more aesthetically pleasing and as nicer cabin in general
It’d be nice if it was also cheaper with prices closer in line with internal combustion engine compact crossovers. It’d be nice even if the 2024 prices only managed to stay the same rather than up compared to 2023.
At this point the Model Y is the “ordinary/boring” option and also IMO quite ugly. ID.4 looks very ordinary at first glance, but the understated design is going to age very well and I find it quite handsome.
Also I’m a sucker for light treatments and the ID.4 (also the Ioniq 5) has really nice DRL and marker light designs that really pop in the night, versus Tesla’s least unimaginative light designs ever.
Some of Tesla’s lights are literally the minimum they can get away with in terms of size and illumination.
source? Tesla lights have always seemed overly bright in oncoming traffic
With the better motors, the faster computer hardware, and the additional range; VW has fixed a lot of the issues with this car.
Get the new version to the USA and discount the old models to sell them off.
None of those were the major issues in the first place
Major? No, but add them all up and it’s a substantial QoL improvement with the '24 vs. the previous model years. With all these improvements, if I was buying a new EV in the next six months, the ID.4 would definitely move closer to the top of the list.
The sluggish software was definitely something that turned a lot of people off.
Hardware and software
That was and is still a big issue. Porsche does not want the software and has a partnership with Google.
Yeah no, that was fake news. Porsche is switching to the Android-based “One Infotainment” that VW is developing for all VAG brands. Porsche is using an Android-based infotainment already BTW.
Nice. Excited to see these for sale as I believe they won’t be till January which is weird. Hoping to test drive it and see if the software is bearable
The facelift is only starting production in Germany now. It’s going to take a while for other factories to make the switch.
Sub 300 miles on a 2024 model? And they want how much money for it?
Just remember at 32 degrees F, the range is half. 10 degrees, one quarter. A fuel vehicle drops its range by 4% in the cold.
Total misinformation
Lol… Okay Elmer.
So the RWD id4 will have more range and will most likely be faster than the RWD model y. Pricing will be interesting.
What the WLTP range, since epa range testing means nothing.
I think you’ve flipped those in your head. EPA range closely matches real world range tests. WTLP numbers average 22% higher.
epas average speed is something like 42 mph. If you want to know the real world range of an EV at high speed, such as for a road trip, you’ll want to check the WLTP numbers.
I’m in the market for one of these now… the one I have my eye on is a 2024, in the western US. Will any 2024 id4 that’s currently in the US have these upgrades? If not, maybe I should wait?
Probably Volkswagen is going to be bailed out by Germany… I’d not touch any of their EVs until they clarify what direction they are going to take
But where’s my bidirectional charging?
Works already with home DC charging box in EU.
Zzzzz wake me when 400 miles is the norm. The market for EVs is shallow right now thanks to the “300 mile” range which is really 200
seems like an common trend. much of the same thing happened with the 2024 polestar 2 with range and power increases (though they did bump battery capacity slightly).
It makes sense from an R&D perspective. We’re at the point where companies are not doing sweeping hardware developments and changes; they are optimizing the platforms they are happy with.
No one cares about EPA range. Anyone know what the 70mph range is?
On Bjorn’s test the old one got 205 miles in summer at 75mph, so add ten miles to that with the range increase. The Model Y got about 220 miles on the same test under similar conditions. That’s about the limit for these battery sizes, you have to go up to 100kWh batteries to get significantly more range.
468km with an 82kwh battery is still not great efficiency, but I’ll take it.
What car with this shape has better efficiency in real world conditions? The only cars that are significantly better have a fastback roof line.
Only 77 kWh are usable.