It seems to me lately the number of people pushing anti-EV or anti-battery narratives is increasing.
I keep stumbling upon more and more social media posts where people seem to reach the conclusion that EVs are either a scam or not viable. Mostly they use one or more of the following opinions to justify that:
- the energy used to recharge batteries comes from fossil fuels
- the metals used to make the batteries are mined by kids in the congo
- the total carbon footprint of an EV is higher than an ICE
And other similar stuff that i dont rlly wanna get into.
The thing that I dont understand is how can narratives like these keep gaining traction when the only, ONLY thing we know 100% for certain about all this is that oil is going to eventually run out (and not so late according to current estimates). How can anybody believe it would not be beneficial for us to start working in alternatives to oil NOW instead of… Idk waiting until it almost runs out and then we start killing each other for the last drops of it or smth.
I tried to talk some people into this point of view but somehow I cant convince anybody who already thinks the other way this shit makes me so frustrated sometimes.
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These people don’t care. They didn’t reach these opinions by caring about the environment or slave labor. They’re only trying to confuse you.
The best response is “enjoy your $80 fill-up” or whatever and then move on.
Congratulations. You have realized that a lot of people are dumber than rocks.
For the love of all that is holy, use the search function! The sub has had this conversation at least twice in the past two weeks!
You are right, because there are very active misinformation campaigns against EVs, funded by some of the richest corporations and governments in the world.
https://climate-reporting.org/undercover-saudi-arabia-keep-burning-oil/
tldr: Saudi Arabia has an active strategy to attempt to keep increasing oil demand through putting more ICE cars and buses on the roads, and burning heavy fuel oil for electricity, especially in lower income countries in Africa and South Asia.
You forgot “Not everyone is able to install L2 charging at home, or can afford to do so, so we should avoid electric vehicles altogether.”
For some reason, that argument makes people feel quite proud of themselves, and very original and eloquent.
And it is extremely annoying. Installing an L2 charger is apprentice level electrician work. There’s sometimes difficulty but it is generally not that hard and just an issue of people being too cheap or lazy to do it.
It’s worse than that. Cars wreck cities by encouraging anti-walkable sprawl development that cannot ever be served by transit (by design), and taking up disproportionate amounts of space for traffic and parking. Wide boulevards with few intersections (for flow) are poison to pedestrians. Having nowhere to walk has calamitous effects on health due to people being sedentary. The wealth people pour into cars robs them of wealth in other areas.
Throw that in their face. If they want to say EVs are unsustainable, it’s all unsustainable bro.
I tell them that I will believe they are sincere as soon as they give up their phones, laptops and tools that are all powered by lithium ion batteries.
“If you’re so scared of lithium-ion batteries, why do you have one in your pocket next to your genitals?”
While Alex is admittedly biased, this video shows how the fallacy of EVs polluting more than ICE cars just is not true.
Climate emergency became a divisive political issue many years ago, and you know how stupidly ends when this happens.
Also, we’re becoming an society of old peoples, and people tend to be from skeptical to averse to everything born after their 40th.
Furthermore, cars and its dirty ICE mechanics is still deeply felt as something epically manly, which again triggers many middle aged man feeling the EV a blasphemous attack to their inner self.
In brief: it’s just the fucking reactionary boomers fighting back as hard as they realize their way of life is dying.
Just saying this as someone who works in marketing:
Your social media feed is fueled by algorithm. What you open, click on, read, and otherwise engage like stopping your scrolling—all those feed into the algorithm to constantly show you more of the same thing. That’s why you’re constantly seeing those same sentiments.
Stop engaging on those types of posts and watch only cat videos for 2 weeks and you will stop seeing those and only see cat videos.
Social media is such a cancer.
You know what they say—if you’re not paying for it, you’re the product.
You are witnessing the fossil fuel industry shaking in their boots.
Their schmuck-o-meters are pegged to the right of the dial and that is how they communicate - anything but the truth will do just fine.
people who post this shit arent interested in any facts that are not inline with their worldview. just ignore them.
It’s not a “lately” thing - those talking points have been around in some fashion since the days of the Prius. What’s happening is that hybrids and EVs have been swept up in the culture wars - progressives see carbon footprint as a problem that needs to be mitigated, which leads reactionaries to oppose such measures at any cost, up to and including citing reasons that aren’t even true.
Somehow, EVs are seen as an embodiment of an unwanted future by some. Which causes them to spread FUD. Why this future should be unwelcome is beyond me. I like my V8 Camaro but I know that it is not the future and I will get me an EV next year.
“I keep stumbling upon more and more social media posts…” This is because that’s how social media works. Once you interact with one (positively or negatively, doesn’t matter) the algorithms will keep pumping more and more of that content at you.
Then content creators see that “hey, having a shitty take on EVs gets views”, they just make more of that content. It’s a circle of stupid.