He deserves it. This subreddit can be extremely anti-intellectual and it drives away those with actual knowledge from bothering to contribute. If you don’t understand what the tweaks behind Cryoutilities do, surely it’s pretty obvious that you have little to add to the discussion?
People will justify their actions with bullshit excuses. “He didn’t provide evidence” - he has. “He wasn’t very nice about making his points” - he has been attacked relentlessly for months and has every right to be annoyed.
And it’s FAR from just Deathblade. There are actually loads of us who’ve raised concerns about some of the tweaks employed by the CryoUtilities tool. Setting swappiness to a low value? Sure, probably a decent idea. Turning on transparent hugepages? Probably helps some workloads, probably hurts others.
But setting a 16GB swap file on a 64GB deck was always downright a very bad idea, for example. Turning off memory defragmentation is obviously going to have consequences as uptime increases.
But why bother sharing knowledge on here and getting relentless downvotes and abuse? Honestly, ask yourself: Would you have bothered to speak up? I know I didn’t.
Any source on this? I’ve been unable to find anything. I’ve skimmed through their post and comment history and only come up with the equivalent of “nuh-uh!”. I’d like to consider their input valuable if they showed any interest in backing it up in any way other than just claiming their in depth knowledge, the idiocy of anyone who supports CU and then calling out others to prove their claims.
I don’t know anything about Linux, steam deck was my first exposure. I don’t know who’s right or wrong on this and I don’t have CU installed since my SSD upgrade. For the record, I’ve tested nothing and perceived no difference. But I have become pretty averse to accepting blatant hypocrisy and disingenuous discussion and I do have a fair grasp of hardware and performance testing. For example claiming that this video, that does not present 0.1% and 1% lows, can prove anything in regards to smoothness of gameplay, and therefore one of the main claims of CU, is both disingenuous as well as poor performance testing.
You say Deathblade deserves redemption. I’d say they’ve earned the response they’ve received, regardless of whether they as a person deserve it.
You say the sub is anti-intellectual and those who don’t understand the tweaks have little to contribute. I’d say those who are unable or unwilling to backup their claims fit the same mold. I do commend the youtuber’s effort even if I think the result is flawed. So far I’ve only seen two people put any actual effort into the debate, the creator of this video and Cryo himself. But I would would love to see some others do the same if they’re going to crusade so vehemently one way or the other.
His problem is not his knowledge or if he’s actually right or wrong. It’s his abrassive attitude. A toxic know-it-all. I don’t even care about the thing he’s talking about, I just plain don’t like assholes.
the Ironic thing is is the ones with the “abrasive” attitudes and behaving like “assholes” are the ones who will attack and downvote anybody who doesn’t just believe cryos every word. no matter what excuse people like you wish to make the problem is the cryo followers not the people who try to explain the reality of the “tweaks”
You are beyond clueless lol. The reason he’s hated is cause he’s been hating on CU2 relentlessly in each given thread about the software without providing much evidences of himself and being a total asshole to everyone.
It’s fine if someone says that they don’t think CU2 is good and makes valid points with evidences to back it up, but he hasn’t done that and instead just makes aggressive comments after comments regurgitating the same shit.
On one hand you have a linux veteran with decade of experiences making extensive benchmarks about his own free tool and describing in details what it does vs a rando on reddit just making hate comments with no evidence to backup what he says. And no, just making a video showcasing 1 game with it isn’t enough, it’s not even close to what Cryo does.
Cryo himself said he tried to have a technical conversation with him back when CU came out but he was apparently being a total asshole.
The fucking IRONY. Dude I’ve been a sysadmin devsecops engineer for 2 decades.
It’s fine if someone says that they don’t think CU2 is good and makes valid points with evidences to back it up
He has. That’s the thing: He has. You’re just too dumb to understand what’s being said. Multiple people have. What about this for a valid point: What use is a 16GB swap file if literally 0 bytes of it are in use?
On one hand you have a linux veteran with decade of experiences
All of us have decades of experience. Believe it or not, but there are actually lots and lots of people who’ve been using Linux for a very long time out there.
And none of us (including cryobyte) are anywhere near the top of the tree. Not even close.
it’s not even close to what Cryo does.
It’s actually interesting you say that, because it’s long since been pointed out that Cryo’s own videos don’t prove his point.
I’d like you to watch that video and provide evidence as to why he recommends a 4GB vram buffer. His own charts show it as slower… Yet he recommends it anyway.
just making a video showcasing 1 game with it isn’t enough
Here’s the obvious truth: There is no amount of evidence that will be enough. This German dude has benchmarked 120 fucking games for fucks sake, and this post is still littered with people refusing to acknowledge that there is no benefit to “CU2”.
Cryo himself said he tried to have a technical conversation with him back when CU came out but he was apparently being a total asshole.
I’ve spoken with him myself, and I can tell you now: He cannot explain why a 16GB swap file is necessary if it literally isn’t being used at all.
Not that I have any grudge nor disrespect for the guy, quite the opposite. His utility is a nice tool. The main issue I have is the “reccomended settings” part, because it obfuscates the good tweaks from the bad. And it’s not his fault at all, but his fandom is such that it OBVIOUSLY is hampering debate about what tweaks are valuable, which aren’t, and how to push things forward.
You missed my entire point. No matter how true what deathblade says is, his points are hindered by his child-like attitude and condescending behavior. His inability to thoroughly give as detailed analyses as Cryo makes his points fall flat. If he has time to post in literally just about every threads about the software to criticize it and its owner, he should spend it making a video comparison instead.
The fucking IRONY. Dude I’ve been a sysadmin devsecops engineer for 2 decades.
I was talking about you blately ignoring the way he acts, not your linux knowledge.
Cryo himself said he tried to have a technical conversation with him back when CU came out but he was apparently being a total asshole.
wait is this the lie he is spreading to people? if so I’ll expose the chats and show that he could not explain what I questioned and gave basically “it just works” answer to my valid questions. even claims his proof is other people. so please show me where he said this shit and I’ll post the whole chat if its true because fuck him if he is going to play like that just because I call out his lies and showing he doesn’t know as much as he pretends his does.
He deserves it. This subreddit can be extremely anti-intellectual and it drives away those with actual knowledge from bothering to contribute. If you don’t understand what the tweaks behind Cryoutilities do, surely it’s pretty obvious that you have little to add to the discussion?
People will justify their actions with bullshit excuses. “He didn’t provide evidence” - he has. “He wasn’t very nice about making his points” - he has been attacked relentlessly for months and has every right to be annoyed.
And it’s FAR from just Deathblade. There are actually loads of us who’ve raised concerns about some of the tweaks employed by the CryoUtilities tool. Setting swappiness to a low value? Sure, probably a decent idea. Turning on transparent hugepages? Probably helps some workloads, probably hurts others.
But setting a 16GB swap file on a 64GB deck was always downright a very bad idea, for example. Turning off memory defragmentation is obviously going to have consequences as uptime increases.
But why bother sharing knowledge on here and getting relentless downvotes and abuse? Honestly, ask yourself: Would you have bothered to speak up? I know I didn’t.
You seem rational, so I’ll ask you;
Any source on this? I’ve been unable to find anything. I’ve skimmed through their post and comment history and only come up with the equivalent of “nuh-uh!”. I’d like to consider their input valuable if they showed any interest in backing it up in any way other than just claiming their in depth knowledge, the idiocy of anyone who supports CU and then calling out others to prove their claims.
I don’t know anything about Linux, steam deck was my first exposure. I don’t know who’s right or wrong on this and I don’t have CU installed since my SSD upgrade. For the record, I’ve tested nothing and perceived no difference. But I have become pretty averse to accepting blatant hypocrisy and disingenuous discussion and I do have a fair grasp of hardware and performance testing. For example claiming that this video, that does not present 0.1% and 1% lows, can prove anything in regards to smoothness of gameplay, and therefore one of the main claims of CU, is both disingenuous as well as poor performance testing.
You say Deathblade deserves redemption. I’d say they’ve earned the response they’ve received, regardless of whether they as a person deserve it.
You say the sub is anti-intellectual and those who don’t understand the tweaks have little to contribute. I’d say those who are unable or unwilling to backup their claims fit the same mold. I do commend the youtuber’s effort even if I think the result is flawed. So far I’ve only seen two people put any actual effort into the debate, the creator of this video and Cryo himself. But I would would love to see some others do the same if they’re going to crusade so vehemently one way or the other.
I’m genuinely curious about the results.
His problem is not his knowledge or if he’s actually right or wrong. It’s his abrassive attitude. A toxic know-it-all. I don’t even care about the thing he’s talking about, I just plain don’t like assholes.
the Ironic thing is is the ones with the “abrasive” attitudes and behaving like “assholes” are the ones who will attack and downvote anybody who doesn’t just believe cryos every word. no matter what excuse people like you wish to make the problem is the cryo followers not the people who try to explain the reality of the “tweaks”
You are beyond clueless lol. The reason he’s hated is cause he’s been hating on CU2 relentlessly in each given thread about the software without providing much evidences of himself and being a total asshole to everyone.
It’s fine if someone says that they don’t think CU2 is good and makes valid points with evidences to back it up, but he hasn’t done that and instead just makes aggressive comments after comments regurgitating the same shit.
On one hand you have a linux veteran with decade of experiences making extensive benchmarks about his own free tool and describing in details what it does vs a rando on reddit just making hate comments with no evidence to backup what he says. And no, just making a video showcasing 1 game with it isn’t enough, it’s not even close to what Cryo does.
Cryo himself said he tried to have a technical conversation with him back when CU came out but he was apparently being a total asshole.
The fucking IRONY. Dude I’ve been a
sysadmindevsecops engineer for 2 decades.He has. That’s the thing: He has. You’re just too dumb to understand what’s being said. Multiple people have. What about this for a valid point: What use is a 16GB swap file if literally 0 bytes of it are in use?
All of us have decades of experience. Believe it or not, but there are actually lots and lots of people who’ve been using Linux for a very long time out there.
And none of us (including cryobyte) are anywhere near the top of the tree. Not even close.
It’s actually interesting you say that, because it’s long since been pointed out that Cryo’s own videos don’t prove his point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5MiVEle_fE&t=821s
I’d like you to watch that video and provide evidence as to why he recommends a 4GB vram buffer. His own charts show it as slower… Yet he recommends it anyway.
Here’s the obvious truth: There is no amount of evidence that will be enough. This German dude has benchmarked 120 fucking games for fucks sake, and this post is still littered with people refusing to acknowledge that there is no benefit to “CU2”.
I’ve spoken with him myself, and I can tell you now: He cannot explain why a 16GB swap file is necessary if it literally isn’t being used at all.
Not that I have any grudge nor disrespect for the guy, quite the opposite. His utility is a nice tool. The main issue I have is the “reccomended settings” part, because it obfuscates the good tweaks from the bad. And it’s not his fault at all, but his fandom is such that it OBVIOUSLY is hampering debate about what tweaks are valuable, which aren’t, and how to push things forward.
this is exactly my experience
You missed my entire point. No matter how true what deathblade says is, his points are hindered by his child-like attitude and condescending behavior. His inability to thoroughly give as detailed analyses as Cryo makes his points fall flat. If he has time to post in literally just about every threads about the software to criticize it and its owner, he should spend it making a video comparison instead.
I was talking about you blately ignoring the way he acts, not your linux knowledge.
wait is this the lie he is spreading to people? if so I’ll expose the chats and show that he could not explain what I questioned and gave basically “it just works” answer to my valid questions. even claims his proof is other people. so please show me where he said this shit and I’ll post the whole chat if its true because fuck him if he is going to play like that just because I call out his lies and showing he doesn’t know as much as he pretends his does.