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    6 months ago

    China’s EV revolution showcases the power that state actors have when an industry is a matter of national security.

    China has marginal domestic O&G reserves, so moving off of O&G is incredibly important for Chinese interests.

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      And since the oil and gas companies in China are nationalized, they will follow along with the government’s plans rather than obstruct or bribe their way as with for-profit private oil and gas companies in many western countries.

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        Woah hold the phone, you’re telling me there’s a way to build society OTHER than by explicitly rewarding greed and exploitation‽

        • It is a similar story in Saudi Arabia and many Arab countries. The oil and gas is nationally owned, and the revenues are being used to finance a massive welfare state as well as the transition away from fossil fuels.

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      They also don’t seem to have many standards either. Specs and reviews I’ve seen seem to jump generations within a few months. I think my favorite ridiculous spec was the ability to use two fast chargers (one on either side of the car since it has two plugs) to pump some 300 miles in 5-10 minutes. It’s wild to read about the stuff they’re doing.

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        Is there any safety reason to not be able to have two plugs? I could see that being something we could do to renovate western gas stations for EVs in order to facilitate the transition. Just have two plugs side by side so Jim-bob could get his 300 miles in 10 minutes with electric just lol he does with his diesel now

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          Definitely heat, and a design to handle it. Ford has an issue with some Mach-E’s that the power junction would weld itself shut if you used the DC fast charger and floored the car shortly after. Once that happened it bricks the car and you gotta replace the part.

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      All EVs still require coal or oil for the electricity. And that doesn’t even factor in mining for the metals to make these things.

      EV are okay but they’re not a solution to our resource consumption problem.

      Edit: imagine being mad at the truth lol?

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        You seem to be forgetting that wind, solar, geothermal, hydroelectric, and nuclear power exist.

        Not to mention that, even with coal generating the energy for the cars, EVs still have lower lifetime emissions than any ICE car.

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          But there is still the precious metal mining which often is diesel engines.

          The point is regardless of what we use it is a bandaid to the issue. That issue being over mining our very limited resources

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              It’s not sustainable why are you mad at me for the reality of the situation. The capitalists are selling you on this being a cure all your anger should be with them

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            Diesel engines have nothing to do with what we were talking about.

            And even if you want to call it a “band-aid”, that’s still better than letting the wound continue to bleed. It slows us down and gives us a chance to course correct, rather than barrelling ahead over the cliff at full speed.

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          That use plastics and rare metals and glass all of which aren’t infinite resources.

          Two decades from now we will still be struggling with a climate crisis and these “solutions” aren’t solutions