You know those sci-fi teleporters like in Star Trek where you disappear from one location then instantaneously reappear in another location? Do you trust that they are safe to use?
To fully understand my question, you need to understand the safety concerns regarding teleporters as explained in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQHBAdShgYI
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I wouldn’t, because the person that reappears aint me, its a fucking clone. Teleporters are murder machines. Star Trek is a silent massacre!
I’ve always had a hard time understanding what’s so bad about the person who arrives being a clone, never saw the downside. Yes, I 'd definitely use it. One of the biggest hurdles in my everyday life is the “going there”. When I was still working, the one thing I always complained about and what ruined my every morning was having to go there and return after. If I’d had the option to instantly teleport to work, I would have loved every day because I loved my work and I wanted to be there. Now that I’m disabled, I regularly have to cancel stuff like doctor’s appointments last minute because my chronic exhaustion is acting up and I physically can’t move my body there.
(If teleporting isn’t available, I’d settle for a ship’s computer core as a PDA)
Because you’d be dead and your clone lives on. Your consciousness ceases to exist, you will not experience anything your clone will experience. Unless they know how to teleport consciousness it will be a copy of you.
Depends on what we define as “consciousness”. If it’s just what my brain does, it doesn’t cease to exist at all because it’s rebuild in the clone. If it’s a soul, I don’t know, that’s above my paygrade.
But if the original copy isn’t destroyed, would your consciousness be split across two entities? I think the original would not see and feel what the copy does. Because it’s a twin. Sure it might be an exact copy of the original but it’s still a new and unique brain.
I had this conversation right here earlier. There is no “splitting”, it’s a copy. Like copying a file to two different harddrives and deleting the file in the “original” path. Neither of them is more real than the other.
The problem with the clone is that the original “you” died in the transporter. Are you assuming your conscious transfers?
I’m assuming it’s painless and that my clone would have my memories. That’s still “me”. “I” am the sum of the structures in my brain and what my brain does with it.
It’s “you” for other people, and even for the clone. But it’s not “you” for your your present you, this “you” dies (in startrek style teleporter)
But what difference does that make? I wouldn’t even notice.
Its the same as dying. If you’re that blase about dying then yea- makes no difference.
In death, my consciousness stops. That’s not the case here.
Your consciousness stops for you in both scenarios. In the teleporter scenario a clone lives out the rest of your life. To everyone around you its as if nothing has changed but for you, specifically, time stopped progressing at the sending-teleporter.
It is though. There’s a separate consciousness that starts around the same time, but it’s separate and a divergence from yours. A copy of your consciousness goes on, but the one you’re experiencing stops.
You seem to imply that’s because it’s a “different” body made of different atoms. The atoms in our bodies are constantly exchanged already, we’re constantly recreating our bodies even without transporting. I don’t think that’s any different.
You’re right, instant painless death, then no regrets (I’m assuming you - like me - don’t believe im afterlife, or souls, as startrek style teleporters are incompatible with those).
But I don’t want to cease to exist just yet.
No afterlife, no souls - though I can see how it would be tricky for a believer. But I can’t see teleporting as “ceasing to exist”, simply because I consider my “self” and my consciousness to be identical to the structures in my brain. There is nothing else but the atoms that have come together in the specific combination to form my body, and those atoms are constantly being replaced by other atoms anyway. When using a transporter, the current combination of atoms is simply recreated at the other end to seamlessly continue its function and processes (assuming perfect copies of course), thus effectively “transporting” my consciousness.
PS: On the afterlife/soul issue, yes it’d be tricky - that’s why I assumed you (like me) didn’t follow that line of thought.
Assuming a soul inhabits the body would require either that the transporter technology had the hability to convert/rebuild souls - and in Riker’s case to CREATE new souls, which would be the highest heresy - or that the souls would have to figure out where the transporter would materialize their body, and through supernatural powers, self-transport instantly there to reposses it. And in Riker’s case, one of the bodies would be souless, and having no soul to get ethernal damnation or salvation, this copy would be free from God’s blackmailing. I bet the writers didn’t think of the consequences of that episode, if conservatives had understood that…
In one episode of startrek ng a glitch ends up creating two copies of Riker (transport is apparently aborted, he’s recovered back to the ship, but the transporter on the other side materializes “him” too - bad handshaking in comms do that kind of thing in real life transactions too).
Both believed they were the original (and one believes he was abandoned on the planet).
Same goes for using it as a replicator (if the information can be sent as data, it can also be copied, stored and rematerialized multiple times). The aforementioned episode makes that canon.
Then if you’re not dead, who are you after multiple copies are created? If your conscience was effectively transported to the copies, do you now have split personalities? Because each copy will live a different life from this moment on.
Assuming the original ceased to exist, and the other - or others - are copies is more consistent imo, because assuming you “are” the produced being on the other side doesn’t work for multiple copies.
I don’t know. From my understanding, Thomas Riker is indeed the same person as William - in the very first instance after transporting. After that, their experiences are different and their consciousnesses diverge to form different people. I’m not the same person I was two seconds ago, even without transporting, while sitting motionless in my chair.
Split personalities, btw, would mean two personalities in the same brain, that’s not what’s happening here.
A clone would not be you. From your point of view you are simply killed by the teleporter, your consciousness isn’t teleported, it is copied just like your body.