cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/6853479
mastodon.art has decided to suspend firefish.social from their instance due to issues with its administrator. The administrator of firefish.social was found to be boosting posts from a known harasser on another instance. mastodon.art takes a firm stance against racism and suspending full instances in these situations is part of their policy as a safe space. The known harasser has a history of using slurs, harassment, and editing screenshots to spread misinformation. However, the administrator of firefish.social has now forged a screenshot to paint mastodon.art in a negative light.
Don’t like to be associated with Firefish dev or want to contact people on .art? Migrate. Or contact the admin and ask for stricter moderation. Don’t want to migrate? Stay. But accept that not everybody want to share their toys with children from a sandbox that’s misbehaving.
Honestly, I really do not get what the fuss is.
It’s not for you to decide what I can decide. I am just as much within my right to judge as she is. It’s her that made the initial judgment, and it’s her that’s
abusing powerpunishing people 2 layers removed from the party in question (edit), not me.Get outta here. Not everyone in the instance is misbehaving.___
No, I mean it’s literally not up to you to decide what’s racist, from the .art point of view. If the admin smells racist dogwhistles, or even uses intuition, they’re free to use their judgement to act as they please.
“Not everyone” works for everything in life. Shit argument. If your contra argument is to deal with this on a “per-user” basis, I’m pretty sure that would require a medium-sized team to do that for all users on the Fediverse.
“Abusing power” LOL. I mean, this is just pure petulance and entitlement.
Upon further reflection, I may have been harsh with that term. I was angry, and you successfully trolled me. I did not appreciate being called a child, or petulant or entitled, for that matter.
As I said, though, she is free to run her instance how she wants. I do feel bad for the folks that feel they need her protection, as they are living in fear, although I suppose that’s their choice. The fact that she blocked even BBC added a dimension to my understanding of what sort of instance she is after.
I still do not agree with her methods of indiscriminately blocking 2 levels of relationships (if you can even call it that) from one person, though. To me, personally, this approach seems too likely to cause offense. If I were trying to make that type of instance, I’d probably just start with limited federation mode, and federate only approved servers. That way it’s a positive process for including one, and there would be much less reason to call myself a nickname like Tiny Tyrant or Stabby Stabby.
Anyway, I suppose I’m still getting used to the Fediverse and what sorts of interactions that come from it. I’ve accepted the situation now.
That’s incredibly condescending. Not everyone wants to doomscroll on every single social media they’re on. Why is it so hard to understand?
Why do people understand that Behance, Art Station, etc, is a social network for art, but can’t comprehend that .art is for primarily for art as well, and not for twitter shit throwing?
Not everyone wants a muskian “everything website” that just bombards you with all types of content, like some sort for 4chan.
What is BBC going to bring to the table that cannot be accessed though their website? It’s just going to be a barrage of their articles with clickbait titles, just like it is on all the other social networks.
Her primary intent is to create a “safe space” for affected individuals. What is a safe space except a place where one can be protected from that which they fear? Most instances have rules against bigotry and such, but she is much more aggressive than other admins. Defederating an entire instance based on one boost of one fairly innocuous news article, defederating a mainstream news source that folks can still access outside of .art, it all seems like theater designed to make the users feel coddled, but at the expense of stepping on so many others’ toes. Is this style of moderation really effective for these users in protecting them? Well, for their sakes, I hope so. I hope it’s worth all the drama.
Who is the one that’s being closed-minded, here? You keep saying this and make no attempt to understand the answers I am giving you, so this will be my last reply.
Mastodon is a social network that’s designed to be eerily similar to Twitter, and Twitter came first (and definitely pre-dates Musk…please don’t imply that I want Mastodon to turn into Musk’s X or 4chan). The Fediverse is still new to many, if not most, people. If the aim of the mastodon.art instance isn’t close to the average use case for Mastodon, perhaps the domain name is misleading. Administrative actions can hurt people’s feelings, too. We are all human…at least those of us that aren’t bots!
Edit: You are right, my replies were mostly about me and my reaction to the drama she started. I don’t pretend otherwise. I don’t claim to be one of the “good ones”, I only said I am human, have feelings, and did not break any of her rules. Do I have a fragile ego? Perhaps! But you are putting so many words in my mouth that I did not say. I am here responding to your initial statement that you can’t understand why a commenter might be upset by the .art admin’s actions.
Again, so condescending. And you hold yourself as one of the “good ones”? Lol. You’re just helping the .art admin’s case, the more you talk, the more the defederation makes sense.
“Fear”. Okay. That’s either a projection or… I don’t know, stupidity. Your inability to put yourself in others’ shoes is staggering, but not surprising. Do you think that just because I walk around a pile of dogshit on the ground, I’m afraid of the dogshit? What is this logic?
Let me really chew this for you: wanting to avoid something, does not equal fear. I’m not on facebook because I fear 5G-anti-vaxx-GOP Karens, I’m not on facebook, because I don’t want to read that shit a.k.a, I WANT TO AVOID IT.
A safe space, is a space that is safe from idiocy & hate speech. A safe space where you cannot hide behind “muh free speech”. It’s basically like any other privately-controlled space, where the owner decides what is “safe”. If you enter a cafe and start giving out flyers with your own agenda, you will most likely be asked to leave. This is not because the owner is afraid of you, it’s because the owner doesn’t want you or your bullshit in their space, that they’re keeping safe. Privately held mastodon instances are not a public square. You hold no rights. You are entitled to nothing.
That is not what happened.
Toes of fragile ego folk? Otherwise, nobody’s toes are stepped on.
Drama that you literally create out of thin air, just because an instance you were on got defederated? Now that’s fragility if I ever seen it.
Mastodon is an open source project. It’s designed to be used in ways people find it useful to be used. Some create instagram-like experience (Pixelfed), some create Twitter-like experience, some create Behance\Ello\ArtStation experience. Your expectation of what Mastodon is and how it should be run is narrow-minded and simply incorrect.
“Average use of Mastodon” sounds very similar to “Normal people”. Sure, let’s change the domain name, because of your expectation of how Mastodon should be used.
Imagine, Mastodon.art being about… wait for it… art? On… let this sink in… Mastodon?
Ah, there it is. It’s all about YOU. Again. Petulance & Entitlement. I’m done, it’s a case of terminal fragile-ego-techbro-ism that any time spent at the keyboard will not mend. But thanks for making me side with the .art admin even more, even though I have no horse in this race.
Hey @[email protected] and @[email protected], I think we may have reached a point in this discussion where we are talking past one another. Please keep in mind the core ethos of Beehaw: Be(e) nice. We can argue from different points of view, but please remember the human on the other side of the screen. Avoid personal attacks and insults, de-escalate when things get heated, and if a discussion devolves then it may be time to just disengage. I think we have probably reached that point, here.
Apologies, I’ll see myself out.