If they want the biological parents names, just do a DNA test on every baby. I am sure the upstanding straight citizens of Italy always know who the actual father is in every case and would be willing to submit that to public record.
Maybe I’m against the grain here but shouldn’t biological parents be on the birth certificate?
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Mine does not, it shows my parents who have legal custody over me, they are not lgbtq+. That is what a birth cert shows, the people who have legal custody and responsibility for you.
If they cared about that, they would make a law that forces all newborns and their ‘parents’ to submit to a DNA test before issuing a certificate. This is just being done to make it harder for LGBTQ+ parents to have the same rights and responsibilities as straight parents. Not being named on your kid’s birth certificate makes things so much harder when dealing with government programs and even enrolling in school or taking them to the doctor.
I imagine you think this because of medical things (heredity and all that) AFAIK It isn’t used for such things, only for legal responsibility (adoption for instance would modify it), so in order to protect the position of those who actually raise the kid and the stability of their family, I don’t agree with you. Not without changing the role of the birth certificate first at least
They definitely should.
mah, their parents should be on there.
On a BIRTH certificate? No! That will only lead to a lot of problems in the future for the unlucky kid. Imagine kid’s bio parents have some hereditary disease and without them on a BIRTH certificate doctors will never know. No. Just no.
That’s not what birth certificates are used for. They’re identity documents, not health records. Doctors do their own tests in labs.
Exactly. When a family is going to travel and the only ID a young child has so far is their birth certificate not having the parents names on it presents some large problems. Imagine they are going through some form of security check, maybe at a border or maybe in a hospital after an injury, how does having someone other than parents names help? All that serves is to create a situation in which the family can be pulled apart. Even parents that got married but kept their own last names have this to consider when a child takes the dad’s last name but the mom wants to travel with her kids and they don’t share the same last name. Having the full form birth certificate identifies that everyone is who they say they are and supposed to be together.
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Fascist governments got to fascist.
Targeting the LGBTQ+ population and eroding their rights and making it a focus during a time of an international cost of living crisis, is a tried and true practice of the right wing to hide their incompetence in governing and in matters of economy.
I still can’t believe that Meloni got elected. Watching the far right rise all over Europe has been disturbing.
Yeah you can’t like to see it and what it signals. Either literal fascists or neo-liberals who’s opinions are little better are in power all around the world currently.
At least the Conservatives will probably go down in Britain next year, but the Labour Party has just been pathetic lately.
Labour hasn’t been a party of labour in decades. Sad times we live in.
Labour is ultimately just Tories with different colour ties. Neither support LGBTQ+ people. Either way, we will suffer.
I don’t think that Tories will go down. I live in Labour constituency and people here now are very anti Labour.
Oh I can definitely believe that. Most Italians are very gullible and populism sounds way better than ideas grounded in reality. Not to mention her opponents all sucked and would rather split up in hundreds of parties rather than actually form a coalition and have a chance at winning.
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It’s almost as if the stated goal of dividing the LGB and the TQ so that it’s easier to go after the LGBTQ is going off exactly like they planned… :/
As an Italian, it’s a cheap promise for politicians and it boosts consensus in a mainly conservative/catholic country. Removing minority rights doesn’t cost anything in terms of money expenditure, which (unfortunately) is the only thing Europe is concerned of about what our government does. They are now attacking “alias careers” in education, and more to come.
How many world war losses before Italy cuts its ties with facism, I wonder.
Oh I live here, they won’t. One of the most mamma’s boy’s type of culture, and I’m southern European too…
Here you still have shit like(specially in the small cities). If you are gay, you find yourself a wife and have a bunch of kids to hide it. I only know this because the parents of some friends that used to be REALLY close did it.
Dude that family is one of the most toxic shits I’ve seen regarding lying and bottling it all up inside. I could swear my friend is gay too, or at least like one guy mb a year ago…he won’t ever come out until his parents and probably brothers die…
Shitty shitty facist exist and are made by this fucked up childhood and life.
Side note: They are cowards so wars won’t kill them, they are the ones in fetal position refusing to move and crying if they where anywhere close to the front lines. Their cowardly manners will cost a lot to the ones that surround them. That I can tell you after spending a lot of time with them(more then I should have)
That’s disgusting.
It’s gonna get worse and they’re gonna do more in other countries too, especially as climate change kicks in, everyone starves and they need someone to blame.
I had such a raw disgust reading that headline. I wondered what fucking state would do that. Then I got to the end. So Italy is just speed running to open fascism. That sucks.
Here’s this thing that doesn’t affect me at all in any way but I kinda think is weird, so let me crush the spirit of a minority that already gets treated like shit?
Man some people suck so much.
It’s all political, for all their talk about the traditional family, Meloni had a child outside of marriage, and Salvini is divorced.
Any historians care to explain why Italy jumps to fascism so quickly?
Not a historian but their location makes it easy to scapegoat people so fascists can rise to power
Why does their location make it easy to scapegoat people?
Edge of Europe bordering Africa and it’s aspiring immigrants. Italy is often the first stop for immigrant boats, and on-shoring desperate people. All a right wing government has to do is point to those people and say how they are going to destroy everything you know. Rinse repeat, voila fascism.
Is it Italy? Or is it just humans?
I choose not to believe that is humans natural path.
You can deny it, but have you really thought about it.
Think about American Politics. “Well conservatives are just fascists.” Sure, I mean there’s the party that wants to control what people say, Cancelling them if they ever said anything they don’t like. Want to remove all rights from people in specific parties, and mandate how others act at all times… and then there’s the republicans which are also clearly fascists.
I’m not trying to say “Republicans are better than Democrats” they’re not, they’re clearly not. But Democrats aren’t that good either. It’s a problem with a desire to control others and when one party wins, they should feel they have a mandate to GOVERN but instead there’s a feeling they have a mandate to RULE or CONTROL. Luckily most politicians are somewhat sane about this, but god damn, some of the die hards on both sides have lost their mind.
Power corrupts, and Absolute Power corrupts absolutely. That’s kind of a fact of being human.
Can you give an example outside American politics?
and then people ask me, an Italian, why I want to leave this country asap
The way italy is going, they’re trying to be mussolini all over again.
Unfortunately, the places where you can go are an ever-decreasing list. Some Nordic countries, a few EU ones, that’s about it. Fascism is growing into a majority in literally the rest of the world.
I also have a Swedish citizenship so I always thought of going there but now they also have a right government. the list is getting thinner. Also my job doesn’t have that many good places I can ask a transfer too. too bad.
Fascism is not growing anywhere. But a lot of “lefties” behave like fascists for sure, so people turn away from anything that smells left.
On the other hand, modern definition of left includes authorisation ideologies and regimes, so no wonder that happens.
This comment is making it very hard to follow my personal lemmy rule which states that I should not just comment ‘you are a fucking idiot’.
We ought to ask the mod of this sub to just ban people like him on site and to stop giving hate speech a platform. That’s what we really ought to do
Getting too ban-happy is one of the reasons people hated powermods on Reddit. I don’t think we should repeat that here.
That guy just expressed an opinion (which I completely disagree with) and isn’t actively offending anyone, just downvote and move on.
Lol, you just confirmed what he said
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Sounds like it’s the law that’s wrong, and the office and court are doing their jobs. This is on the lawmakers, and these guys aren’t supposed to make their own laws.
