I appreciate the concern, but I’ve already got one kid with another on the way.
My claim was that a plant-based (no animal products) diet can be nutritionally complete. I’m backing that claim up by citing non-animal sources of nutrients.
You told me I’m incapable of arguing in good faith in the same sentence as an ad hominem. You’re not just trolling me, are you?
My claim was that a plant-based (no animal products) diet can be nutritionally complete. I’m backing that claim up by citing non-animal sources of nutrients.
And my point is that we don’t define a rule by stray data points. Even if one person manages to survive on a unnatural diet like a vegan diet without significant problems it does not make it nutritionally complete, or healthy.
There is no evidence you can produce a healthy society without animal products. Because it’s never been done. Every single body builder (usually whey protein when they started), every single Olympic athlete has eatin meat. You may be able to find 1 who is lying and said they were born vegan. I think I saw 1 athlete who said that but I don’t buy it and even 1 doesn’t disapprove the rule. Nearly if not every single high performance individual and society on the planet was built eating animals.
No amount of 20 year old made youtube videos has shown otherwise. No fat Harvard grad clinging to bad meta analysis science has shown meat to shorten a life with actual observational science. Because it doesn’t
By your logic, since you can’t produce a long term study of health outcomes for vegan populations, your claim is also void. Also, neither the article or I made any claims about the health effects of meat.
I have 10,000 years of human health outcomes to prove eating meat is healthy. I don’t need long term data to show that not eating meat, only eating candy, is unhealthy.
The fact that vegans can’t become Olympic athletes is proof it isn’t healthy.
The question was never “is meat healthy?” It’s “is eating animal products necessary for human health?” as you originally claimed. Are you still taking the position that animal products are inherently necessary for human health?
Yes and until I see a multi-generational family all fed Vegan from birth till pregnancy and birth again I’ll maintain that position.
Or see any reasonal percentage of healthy athletes using a vegan diet from before their athletic career started well into the height of their athletic career.
Meat is absolutely required for human health. You can survive on some really shitty food for a long time but any vegan would be healthier if they included animal foods 100%.
So, instead of using data to decide your position, you decide your position ahead of time and ignore any information to the contrary that isn’t a decades long study? I would think the more reasonable position for you to take would be that you don’t know if eating animal products are necessary for long-term multigenerational health outcomes.
Oh there is plenty of data. Just look at life expectancy. Look at the highest meat consumption per person vs the lowest. India has a shit life expectancy and eats very little meat. Japan and hongkong have very high meat consumption and live very long.
You’re assuming correlation implies causation. There’s also a direct correlation between life expectancy and per capita wealth, which you’re conveniently ignoring. Correcting for external factors, there’s been an association between vegetarian/vegan diets and lower prevalence of disease and obesity.
I appreciate the concern, but I’ve already got one kid with another on the way.
My claim was that a plant-based (no animal products) diet can be nutritionally complete. I’m backing that claim up by citing non-animal sources of nutrients.
You told me I’m incapable of arguing in good faith in the same sentence as an ad hominem. You’re not just trolling me, are you?
And my point is that we don’t define a rule by stray data points. Even if one person manages to survive on a unnatural diet like a vegan diet without significant problems it does not make it nutritionally complete, or healthy.
There is no evidence you can produce a healthy society without animal products. Because it’s never been done. Every single body builder (usually whey protein when they started), every single Olympic athlete has eatin meat. You may be able to find 1 who is lying and said they were born vegan. I think I saw 1 athlete who said that but I don’t buy it and even 1 doesn’t disapprove the rule. Nearly if not every single high performance individual and society on the planet was built eating animals.
No amount of 20 year old made youtube videos has shown otherwise. No fat Harvard grad clinging to bad meta analysis science has shown meat to shorten a life with actual observational science. Because it doesn’t
By your logic, since you can’t produce a long term study of health outcomes for vegan populations, your claim is also void. Also, neither the article or I made any claims about the health effects of meat.
I have 10,000 years of human health outcomes to prove eating meat is healthy. I don’t need long term data to show that not eating meat, only eating candy, is unhealthy.
The fact that vegans can’t become Olympic athletes is proof it isn’t healthy.
The question was never “is meat healthy?” It’s “is eating animal products necessary for human health?” as you originally claimed. Are you still taking the position that animal products are inherently necessary for human health?
Yes and until I see a multi-generational family all fed Vegan from birth till pregnancy and birth again I’ll maintain that position. Or see any reasonal percentage of healthy athletes using a vegan diet from before their athletic career started well into the height of their athletic career.
Meat is absolutely required for human health. You can survive on some really shitty food for a long time but any vegan would be healthier if they included animal foods 100%.
So, instead of using data to decide your position, you decide your position ahead of time and ignore any information to the contrary that isn’t a decades long study? I would think the more reasonable position for you to take would be that you don’t know if eating animal products are necessary for long-term multigenerational health outcomes.
Oh there is plenty of data. Just look at life expectancy. Look at the highest meat consumption per person vs the lowest. India has a shit life expectancy and eats very little meat. Japan and hongkong have very high meat consumption and live very long.
You’re assuming correlation implies causation. There’s also a direct correlation between life expectancy and per capita wealth, which you’re conveniently ignoring. Correcting for external factors, there’s been an association between vegetarian/vegan diets and lower prevalence of disease and obesity.
Adventist study findings show inverse correlation between meat consumption and certain health risk factors.
Blue zones with the highest life expectancy all share very low meat consumption (less than 5 servings per month)..