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What scares me shitless is the idea that Trump is what the US is and what the US has earned. Who’s ready for that conversation?
100% this. Im German and I feel so strange that americans are choosing this guy for president. Not to be offensive, but damn.
The crazy part is they think Biden makes the US look bad. When you present evidence to the contrary they say, "who cares what other countries think. "
My aunt thinks Jill Biden is controlling the country from the shadows and wants to run in place of Joe in 2024. We are fucked
I remember people saying most similar things of Hillary Clinton during Bill’s administration.
I think it’s time to have your aunt committed
In fairness to your aunt, I have voted for Joe 3 times (2008, 2020, 2020), and even I think Joe is pretty close to weekend at Bernie’s. He really needs to step aside for Newsom.
I wanna know if we’re going to weekend at Bernie’s someone, why not Bernie? Why has he not been on the ballot yet?
Well that’s just a stupid conspiracy theory. Well I guess they all are but this one seems particularly daft.
Fellow German and… yeah. People joke about the Hitler comparisons, but you won’t see us laughing. (I mean, in general, but that’s a different topic.)
Insert the Robin Williams joke here.
You should be offensive, we deserve it.
We picked an absolute trash human as our leader, a sizeable portion of which chose him specifically because they wanted him to hurt people (see: “he’s not hurting the right people” woman.) That same group will often cite their desired outcome for any given thing is “to see liberals cry/get mad.”
Hillary Clinton made a mistake by saying it out loud, but she was 100% correct when she said a large portion of Trump supporters are “a basket of deplorables.” They absolutely are and are deserving of scorn.
I just hate how well propaganda works and how much money a random grifting asshole can make by parroting bullshit on YouTube, they boost each other and perpetuate this garbage era we’re going through…
Please remember he never won the popular vote.
That too is scary. The guy didn’t win and still ran the country. WTF
The American political system is literally incomprehensible.
Everyone votes and then you find out who the winner is. And then, at some later point you find out who the president will be, and it’s not necessarily the same person for some reason.
And yet apparently democracy has happened so that’s all.
the american federal government is easy to understand: everything is weighed in favor of rural conservative racists because when we were first designing the thing they realized that they were in the minority but that we’d lose the revolution without them. President? Racists get more of a say due to the electoral college. Senate? Half a million conservatives in Wyoming get just as many votes as 40 million liberals in California. House? House reps are capped at 435 permanently so as areas become more populous they end up with less representation per person. SCotUS? Even when it’s running normally it’s biased because the biased president and biased Senate pick them, but since Obama now Democrats need the presidency and a majority coalition in the Senate in order to pick justices. That’s every branch of federal government, and recently they tried to make it even worse by making state legislatures (which always lean conservative because they gerrymander to hell and back) the sole authority on what constitutes a “fair” election. Given all the out and out treason that came from state legislatures after Trump got wrecked by Biden, I think we know what conservative state legislatures will do if they get to decide what constitutes “fair”.
Throw in a dash of first past the post, a pinch of gerrymandering, and baby we’ve got a minority government.
republicans haven’t wont the popular vote in several decades and if you’re only now noticing; you need to (re-)evaluate your political leanings and learnings.
That means sfa when he still gets the job.
Right, but it was never about the popular vote. The popular vote doesn’t decide elections, never has.
Yes, but by the same token, you can’t honestly say that America chose him to be president. We did not. Our broken electoral system did.
It’s not broken if it’s working as intended. The US is a constitutional Republic not a pure democracy. Pure democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what’s for dinner. You won’t always be the wolf, best keep that in mind.
Right except that the electoral system was not designed with that in mind. We have the transcripts of the discussion. It was to keep slavery legal. The method the POTUS was picked originally was to prevent the common person from deciding and instead award the most powerful job to whom the most powerful elites thought best could do it. Which wow even being nice to the argument is pretty bad.
Interesting, I’d like to read those transcripts if you have a source.
The intent was to keep a populist tyrant like Trump out of office, so it most certainly is not working as intended.
the thing about tyranny of the majority is that it can’t be replaced by tyranny of the minority. it’s absolutely working as our founders intended though: racist, conservative, and biased in favor of the wealthy.
I’m aware. I don’t approve. Know it won’t change.
^ Evergreen comment about life in America.
Same here. I think this is what happens when education is underfundet. I’m happy we’re back to G9 but we should definitely pay teachers more to counteract the lack of teachers and ensure every teacher has sufficient time to do their job well.
Otherwise people cannot be taught to think critical, question “why is he saying X?” instead of just weather it is true or not. Often understanding why somebody is saying sometimg at the time they do is much more important after all.
This idea that we are under funded is not true. Per Capita we spend more than every other country on education than any other OECD country besides Luxembourg.
We are number two world wide for funds to education per capita.
Our funding is just wasted and ineffective. We have a cultural problem with education. Not a funding problem.
Americans aren’t. A corrupt system is.
There are a lot of germans voting for idiots which just repeat a few Trump topics a few months later. :(
I was visiting Germany in 2016 during the spring, before the election. Several Europeans, after hearing we were from the US, asked, “What the hell is going on in your country?”
Man, we had absolutely no idea what to expect…
They’re called representatives for a reason.
well yeah we have an attempted fascist overthrow of our government about once every 100 years or so because we like to stay just this side of fascism on a normal day
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""In a normal society, a former president—let’s call him Donald Trump—who’s been indicted three times in under four months, on charges ranging from obstruction of justice to conspiracy to defraud the United States, would have absolutely no chance of ever being president again. It straight up would not be a scenario anyone would have to even contemplate; even if this individual were not in prison, the idea that they would be able to run for and win higher office once more would not compute.
But unfortunately, we don’t live in a normal society; instead, we live in a place in which millions of people not only still support Donald Trump, but grow fonder of him with every new criminal charge. Which means that, despite the aforementioned indictments*, the twice-impeached, thrice-indicted ex-president is dominating every other candidate for the Republican nomination, and currently looks to be the most likely GOP nominee in the 2024 general election. That, of course, scares the shit out of a lot of people—including, apparently, one Barack Obama. Whose fear, it has to be said, is extremely unsettling!
The Washington Post reports that during a private lunch with Joe Biden in late June, the 44th president “voiced concern about Donald Trump’s political strengths—including an intensely loyal following, a Trump-friendly conservative media ecosystem, and a polarized country—underlining his worry that Trump could be a more formidable candidate than many Democrats realize.” According to people familiar with the conversation, “Obama made it clear his concerns were not about Biden’s political abilities, but rather a recognition of Trump’s iron grip on the Republican Party.”
Obama’s concerns are certainly warranted: In a New York Times/Siena poll released on Monday, Trump led his closest competition, Ron DeSantis, by a whopping 37 points. An even wilder data point that seems to validate Obama’s fears was that Trump beat DeSantis even among Republicans who believe he committed “serious federal crimes.” To be clear, that means these people believe Trump is a criminal, and want him to be president anyway.
As FiveThirtyEight optimistically notes, should Trump be convicted before November 5, 2024, voters might be less inclined to cast a ballot for him, and presumably they’d be even less so if he’s sentenced to time in prison. (In the case of the most recent indictment, two of the charges carry up to 20 years behind bars, and compared to her colleagues, the judge assigned to the case has imposed the toughest sentences for January 6 defendants.) Though, who knows!
As for a potential Trump-Biden rematch, another Times/Siena Poll poll published this week put the two in a tie, with each receiving 43% of the vote—which, for people who think democracy is worth preserving, is pretty pants-shittingly scary.
In somewhat happier news, Obama reportedly promised at the same June lunch “to do all he could to help the president get reelected.” And in a statement, a spokesman for Biden’s campaign told the Post: “President Biden is grateful for his unwavering support, and looks forward to once again campaigning side-by-side with President Obama to win in 2024 and finish the job for the American people.”
*And everything else!
Mike Pence giveth and Mike Pence taketh away
Yes, he tweeted yesterday that “anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President,” but then he basically suggested today that Trump was just listening to his lawyers’ advice when he tried to overturn the election—which, coincidentally, is a defense Trump is reportedly planning to use."
Honest question, how can we ever get out of this? Is it just human nature for most of the population to not have critical thinking skills? Is it possible to reach a world where the majority of people have even just a little empathy?
It’s just so sad. It’s so clear to anyone even kinda paying attention that we possess the technical capacity as a society to meet everyone’s needs and eliminate so much human-caused suffering at the detriment to absolutely nobody. We could be working toward a society where everyone has community, safety, security, opportunity. We could do so much if all we did was kind of give a shit about each other.
But no. Let’s elect the guy who mocked a disabled reporter, encourages white supremacy, committed treason, etc.
Donald Trump is just a guy. A shitty guy, but just a guy. He’s not what is ruining the world, but the fact that so many Americans want to vote for that shitty guy as president shows that a massive portion of the population is also just some shitty person, and fuck if that doesn’t just burn up all my hope for this world.
Education is the only way to overcome this tsunami of stupidity and misinformation. But it’s slow and costly.
Conservatives with a capital “c” are not brainwashed; they’re not tricked; they’re not progressives who’ve been misinformed. Trump is who they are and what they want.
The Dominion discovery documents demonstrate that Fox News opinion hacks changed their coverage to appease the deplorables. In the case of the big lie, it was the viewers who radicalized right media, not the other way round. Maybe it’s been that way the whole time?
The deplorables number in the millions. We need a plan to defeat and marginalize them in our democracy, not fantasies about changing what they are.
i’m not so sure it’s just evil people being evil
i think it’s just us vs them, which basically has roots in greed, power over others, etc
i think you could probably overturn those things with better instilled skills of long term planning, understanding of things like game theory (sometimes giving something to someone helps both of you! it’s not rewarding laziness: it can be selfish and humane)
i just think the reasoning here doesn’t go further than the initial emotion… there’s been no reinforcement that maybe your first reaction isn’t the right one
I’m going to go ahead and assume you’re not from middle America. It’s a lot more than just shitty people being shitty. This Cracked article from 2016 explains it quite well and I can assure you, as someone who was born and raised and now lives in Trump country, it still holds up. Add seven years of aggressive propaganda and intense radicalization and here we are now. The populist to fascist pipeline is almost complete.
Thanks for reminding me of how good David Wong used to be at capturing popular thought and placing you into a certain perspective. I might not agree with some of the generalizations of that article, but it does help understand their perspective.
the fact that so many Americans want to vote for that shitty guy as president shows that a massive portion of the population is also just some shitty person
They are scared and have been convinced that he is the only one that can help them. They are not just “shitty people voting for a shitty person” they really believe that the deep state is out to get Donald and these charges are overblown and that Donald will really save America. They won’t realize that Trump only cares about Trump; even if Trump gets another term and burns down the government and fucks everyone they still will think Donald is just one week away from unveiling his plan to fix it all.
That ignorance makes them pretty shitty.
I’m not saying they’re fundamentally and permanently shitty, but they are being shitty. Refusing to become a more aware person is shitty.
They are stupid and scared and propaganda is extra powerful on people who are stupid and scared.
They are scared and have been convinced that he is the only one that can help them. They are not just “shitty people voting for a shitty person” they really believe that the deep state is out to get Donald and these charges are overblown and that Donald will really save America. They won’t realize that Trump only cares about Trump; even if Trump gets another term and burns down the government and fucks everyone they still will think Donald is just one week away from unveiling his plan to fix it all.
And that is exactly my problem with that kind of thinking (or rather: believing). How did they arrive at such conclusions? Did Trump actually do ANYTHING to make their personal lives better even for a second? How many examples are there of Mr. Ivory Tower to make even an ounce of positive difference in the lives of rural folks?
So all I can see is a gullible people following the loudest talking head on a whim. It’s really hard for me to feel pity, much less sympathy in this circumstance. Although pity is certainly appropriate.
We shame them for being shitty. Don’t engage them in debate, they are used to that. Don’t try to use facts, because they don’t care about facts. Don’t try to convince them of shit.
Make them feel like outcasts and bad people. Brush off what they say when they say horrible shit. Make them have emotional responses to their shitty views. Conservative news targets these people by exploiting their emotions.
And vote. Vote for people who will fix our education system so that our next generation knows how to think for themselves.
That approach could work in the past, but it won’t now. Now we have the internet when even people shamed by their family or neighbors will find support and like-minded individuals. We are only going to be more divided in the future.
Unfortunately, you are correct. We’re doomed.
I once saw a comment where a guy said that before the internet, if someone wanted to fuck toasters and told anyone, he would be shamed and made fun of to the point where he’d never bring it up again.
With the internet, if someone wants to fuck a toaster, they can go online and find a while community of people who also enjoy fucking toasters, complete with guides and recommendations on the best toasters to fuck.
Its absurd, but it illustrates a great point. So yeah, we are fucked. Pandoras box is open.
I’m left of centre, and here’s my take - the “left” is fucking up so badly that the right is going to win.
Ever play a sport and you just trounce your opponent, but the coach says “you weren’t that good! They were just that bad tonight.”
This is the same thing. Trump and the GOP aren’t doing some amazing job of campaigning and manipulating, they’re just up against the weakest opponent who can’t stop scoring on their own fucking net.
One thing the political center lacks in America - and I say center because we don’t have a truly leftist political party - is a vision for the future. They don’t want a fundamental change in how the economy and government work, they just want to keep things steady and work around the edges.
The problem is the economy and government aren’t working for most people and most people want them replaced.
Republicans have a vision. Yeah, it’s a racist, sexist vision that will drag us back to the 1950s, but it’s a vision they can communicate.
What’s the Democrats’ vision? I don’t think it’s mine, of worker cooperatives and high speed rail and free education and universal health care, paid for by shaking Bezos and Musk upside down until no more money comes out. As far as I can tell they just want to keep things going like they have since the 90s.
And then they wonder why they can’t seem to get people to get excited to vote for them.
First let me preface this by saying that I vote against Republicans as often as I get the chance to. Which on the rare occasion someone runs against them where I live. It is usually a democrat. So I am a staunch Ally of the Democrats. That being said.
I am left of center of what is generally considered left in the united states. The left isn’t fucking anything up. The Left has been cut off from having a voice for nearly the last 100 years in the united States. Since at least McCarthy. What we’ve seen is a populous that has been beholden to an incestuous right wing relationship. Between two solidly right wing pro oligarch parties. Though to Liberal Democrats credit. They give lots of lip service to the concept of social democracy. And do eventually, once it no longer takes courage or bravery, do the right thing. Once they get tired of everyone shouting at them enough.
We need the economic tools we’ve spent the last hundred years vilifying. And we need a Resurgence of Education especially economic and political. People in the United States who think they are the left, and the way we are miseducated to define left are a joke. One that is crippling us and turning us against ourselves.
We need to rip and tear the largest corporations apart. We need to nationalize basic necessities. We need to abolish private or unaccountable funding of all elections that every level. And most of all we need to empower workers. It’s only a start. But those are the things we have to do. And unfortunately my generation the Xers. All approaching 50 and 60 years old have largely abdicated and lost their chance to really impact or make a change. We need younger representatives in touch with what’s going on now to write the laws that will lead us into the future. Instead of the regulations that will hold us in some nostalgically idealized past that never existed.
Yeah the idea Dems are left is hilarious to me, social democrats in the streets, neoliberal conservatives in the sheets. The last cry of the left as a concentrated political voice was contained in aspects of the civil rights movement, but those aspects, like MLK’s socialist insistence on economic redistribution through class projects, and his identity as a labor organizer, is completely whitewashed. It’s condensed to Rosa Parks sat on a bus, MLK had a dream, LBJ passed the law.
The Dems stop at disparity frameworks because that doesn’t threaten the political economy in any meaningful way, as long as people are fucked over proportionately it’s okay. Rising income inequality, lowered standards of living, eventually something has to give to keep this speculative real estate project of a country going.
This is certainly a part of it. In a time when Democrats should be uniting and putting forward their strongest faces to protect democracy from the GOP, they keep engaging in political gamesmanship because ‘c’mon look at this clown, there’s no way anyone will vote for him!’
Only problem is that people have, and people could once more, put this guy in the White House. And if it happens…well, everything’s fucked.
Lol. If you say so.
David Brooks wrote a good article in the New York Times today that tries to help shift perspectives a bit to understand this. I’d highly recommend reading it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opinion/trump-meritocracy-educated.html
That is the farthest thing from a good article that I’ve read in some time. I suppose that it does give some insights to why trumpers act the way they do, however trying to align their actions with some sort of ‘we the elitists need to do a better job at not being elitist’ mentality is rather dumb at first glance, and a bit insidious upon closer examination.
To me it was helpful in trying to understand the perspective from which a group derive their actions. Much like you said. Usually a good first step in dealing with interpersonal conflict is to make an attempt to understand the other perspective. The end does seem to wander a bit, but I think there’s some truth in the general premise that a large group of people feel left behind (in various ways for various reasons).
Got any free sources?
Seems 12ft.io doesn’t work for NYT, but archive.is does:
The ideal that “we’re all in this together” was replaced with the reality that the educated class lives in a world up here, and everybody else is forced into a world down there. Members of our class are always publicly speaking out for the marginalized, but somehow we always end up building systems that serve ourselves.
I love how Brooks can talk about class without bringing labor into it. Just a great example of liberals missing the damn point.
Then he goes on to talk about “open immigration” like that’s even close to what we have.
Too much of our democracy relies on good faith
100% true.
We also like to parrot shit like “no one is above the law” while requiring perfect situations before ever questioning elected leaders like the president when they blatantly break the law. The US has inverse responsibility, where we blame the poor for being poor and give the wealthy every possible chance to buy their way out of crimes.
Except the president and police are literally above the law with the presidential pardon and qualified immunity.
Qualified immunity isn’t abused nearly as often as people think it is.
Civil asset forfeiture is the one they really abuse
@eurekaphoenix
Wonder how these self-same Republicans would react if Obama had operated like Trump and was being indicted for the same alleged crimes? 🤔They were coming to kill him, and the spinless fuck Pence can’t even stand up for himself.
Mother must be getting tired of looking at his lack of balls when they get ready to shag.
Look, anyone with a working brain should be worried about the prospect, because if he wins, then that means we’re in for the worst four years (and probably much longer than four years) of our lives here in the United States. I don’t think we come back from that.
If Trump wins re-election, I think it’s entirely non-hyperbolic to say that democracy in this country is over. Think of the things he tried to do with some, obviously too small, guard rails. He attempted a literal coup. Literally throw away votes. Literally has one of his chief advisors saying that if people protested said crew, they would use the insurrection act, or more directly, use the military to put down to put down those protesting the coup. There is a very small number of things that prevented this from happening, not the least of which is just a tiny handful of people being like “uh, we can’t actually do this, right?”
I don’t entirely disagree, but it’s also true that Trump exposed some serious flaws in our political system, and that serious people have been working very hard since Jan 6th to make it much harder to do what he and his cohorts did. One example would be the supreme court victory that struck down a proposed law that would have allowed state congresses to ignore election results. Not saying everything’s okay now, but maybe it’s not quite so dire. Of course, most democratic coups happen when an individual or group just decides they won’t follow the rules anymore, so there is that little problem with trying to litigate ourselves out of this mess.
Correct. Can’t let it happen.
Democracy is over…. 🙄
This is absolutely hyperbole
You know, if you skip that first sentence in my comment, what country would you think I was talking about?
Fascism happens slowly, and then all at once. Please, I beg of you, read a book.
He’s still working on mein kampf
Too hard for him to he’s reading Mein Kampf für Idioten
Please, I beg of you, read a book.
I just read the autobiography of Lemmy Kilmister.
So what book? Donald duck? Mickey mouse?
Try something with crayons. But be careful, trust me those crayons don’t taste as good as they look.
uhhh ill trust my marine little brother about the flavor profile of the best wax writing tools. You just might not have the right box of crayons.
Oh no you must be smarter than me by telling me to read a book…
If Trump does win again democracy will not fall under him, this is the type of shit people who are terminally online/terminally on Twitter say.
Lets check back here if he happens to get elected and if you are right I’ll apologize for not seeing it coming and if it’s just another 4 years of a moron running the country but democracy is still a thing you can apologize, I don’t bet much but if money was involved I’d bet I’m right
I bet you were the the type that said that we didn’t need to worry about Roe when Trump was campaigning the first time around.
I bet you I never said that and I didn’t give a fuck about Trump because I’m not American, I just find all the shit swirling around him makes people lose their shit and say idiotic things like democracy will die if he’s elected again, it didn’t die the first time and last I checked he’s got 3 or 4 indictments going at the moment, plus now there is a different old idiot running things there is there not?
Could have really saved a lot of time if you started with “I don’t know what I’m talking about.”
As a non-American, perhaps you should defer to people less ignorant.
I mean, they had a reasonable shot at overturning the election. Just a few people did the right thing to stop it, but it could have been bad. Also, the indictments don’t mean shit if he’s reelected. What do you think happens to this country if he’s found guilty and then pardons himself?
The different “old idiot” isn’t a fascist. You got any other bullshit we can deal with to make it clear trump is a serious threat?
Many never read a book again after high school. Another round never read a book again after college. For those that read or even consume history documentaries will understand Fascism came to power in various countries through their democracies and then they were dismantled after the fact. Many imagine it was pew pew pew early on that occurs. In some cases yes.
Of the many cases last century, there was this one “stupid little corporal” the ruling elite thought they could use and opened the door for him early on. However he legally came to power as far as the system was concerned. The ruling Elite thought they would dispose of him once he served their needs.
Eventually he disposed of this elite that didn’t take him seriously, then it was on to the rest of the world to think he was a farcical nut with a God complex they could ignore.
Then it became there isn’t any use in calling him a nut, because he is a power and we have to recognize that as the Europe then the world descended further into another round of darkness.
This is not the only example of where those that know no bounds push and topple these systems that were constructed by “gentlemen” of a older time expecting honor and proper decorum to still be a part of the checks and balances. The little German above along with the Italian and Japanese ones did not push their systems legally early on as much as we see in the US today.
Today honor and decorum left the scene long ago so it will be interesting if sleepy and hair sniffing Joe loses to the business fraud, tax evading, alleged rapist, and coup inspiring white supremacist con man where things will go next time around. At the very least environmental safe guards and agencies will be the first to go. The rest will be much more interesting…
Ye, they are, acktchually.
There’s no reasoning with these guys. You immediately get thrown out and called names over names. The slight issue here, I’m a third party and don’t even support neither of these, yet only a certain side calls me names and accuses me of shit.
I can see how and why Trump is set to win this election. Good luck to you guys with four more years with the guy.
Not just for you guys but the world. The world as we know it is at stake as USA is currently the world’s superpower.
So, so sorry about that.
Last time I checked, Trump pulled troops out of Middle East and Asia, where US destabilized many countries. As far as the rest of the world is concerned, Trump is much better.
the only thing Trump did for the rest of the world was give us something to laugh at. Problem is 30% of you guys still don’t see the joke
Do you really think rest of the world isn’t laughing at you with Biden in power? There’s always something to laugh at.
I mean we really don’t laugh at Biden. he’s just some generic politician as far as we (the rest of the world) are concerned.
its just the brain-dead Trump nuts who seem to think we see him the same as those lunatics
I don’t understand the second point. Who’s seeing who like “those lunatics?”
its not that hard mate.
and case in point why we are still laughing
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Bud we were watching american politics from our respective countries, it was like a simpson episode
Exactly my point lmao.
Which countries were better off with Trump in power?
Syria, Iran and Iraq are the ones closest to me.
Can you please provide specific items Trump did that made any of those places better.
By…, not being there? Interfering less? The worst the army did was to left behind ammunition for Taliban to take in Afghanistan.
Compare and contrast this to one of the major reasons for Syrian conflict and complete chaos it (US) brought to Iraq; that’s nothing.
Afghanistan is pretty fucked now because of the Taliban
Tribalism at its finest
So, your friends have moved back then?
No, they haven’t. It’s the thing with fucking up entire countries; they never really get healed. It’s just that less and less people are running away that it’s getting more and more stable each year.
And outside the US. With Trump, russia might even try to take a bite out of NATO
Can confirm
Hi. Big fan. Hope you are well.
Who in their right mind isn’t? The only people that aren’t, aren’t eh brainless minions that worship the ground that coward walks on.
Vile people want a vile leader that they believe will help them remain vile without consequence. Especially vile people see the power in that, and run for government office.
I’m more surprised that he’s allowed to try for another term.
I’m not, USA politics is pure corruption wrapped up nice with a bow. It’s a joke and that’s been extremely apparent since 2016
Bush pretty much set the stage for all this shit with his stolen election, fear mongering, illegal wars…
We thought Obama could fix us, but we underestimated the amount of racism in this country.
So the rednecks lashed out at seeing a black, kind, educated, honest, funny man in power, so they decided to elect the exact opposite of him.
That bastard made Obamacare…it’s bullshit. Now I’m going to saddle on over here and get me some nice democratic AMA care.
A lot of those people would never get Obamacare, they graciously support the Affordable Care Act 🙄
The USA was as inch away from becoming a dictatorship. You’re lucky to just have pure corruption.
We’re still just an inch away. The fascists haven’t stopped at all.
#blessed
2016? Let me tell you about a little supreme court decision from 2000 called Bush v. Gore.
Not surprised either, corruption is inherent ni politics. I am living in a country were the power of an ex-dictator’s clan were put back to power as his son back as president of our republic after successful non-violent revolution not more than 40 years ago.
Phillipines?
Very likely. He has a Tagalog username.
The amount of stuff we learned through Trump is just a formality is rather stunning.
It used to be that there was an unspoken risk that ignoring all these norms would result in your being summarily tossed on your ass in the next election. But thanks to Murdoch, Limbaugh, Stone, Gingrich, and all the right wing media pushing hyper-partisan, no-compromise, the-other-guy-eats-babies politics, combined with a court system that refused to rein in the lies that were poisoning our discourse for decades, eroded that critical check on political society.
Innocent until proven guilty, and ongoing criminal trials, or even convictions can’t bar someone from the presidency.
imagine a world where Donald could just eliminate political opponents by having them arrested and put on trial just before an election. Personally, I’m a fan of democracy
That’s what’s gonna end up happening anyway whether it’s Trump or DeSantis, or anyone sufficiently power hungry. The idea that any system we build can protect us from people like that is a fucking joke and needs to be abandoned.
As should we all.
Obama has the resources to flee the country. The rest of us do not. What are we as individuals do when half of the country decides to abandon democracy and the rule of law? Asking for a friend…
America is the world’s only superpower. No matter where you run, global consequence will follow if Trump is re-elected.
Part of me, I guess the defeatist part, just kinda wants to get it over with.
I have no problem with allowing him to run (as of today) because (as of today) there’s nothing prohibiting him. I do have a problem with more than a third of this country willing to vote for him. How stupid and/or bigoted can we possibly get?
The founding fathers of this country established rules that (as of today) both ensured and prevented what’s currently transpiring. If it were the case that a subset of the government were trying to oust a political leader, The People should still have a say as to who represents them and bring “balance”(?) to the government. But also, if The People are being a bunch of idiots, the Electoral College can overrule their stupidity. It might be worth noting that the founding fathers also owned other humans as if they were livestock and didn’t believe a woman had the same rights as a man. So, to say “some mistakes were made” would be understating it. RANKED. CHOICE. VOTING.
We gotta stop giving a fuck what the founding fathers did or wanted. They’ve been dead for centuries, they owned slaves and thought women couldn’t vote. They couldn’t even imagine drinking a baja blast or eating a pizza with fried chicken for a crust. The future is now, fuck em.
I don’t believe the constitution has worked for this country for the past 50 years (if ever) but without amending it we’re left with anarchy. I think the US is a failed experiment but I still respect its founding as a rejection of oppression. They took a big first step, every year we take more little steps, we may need to see a much bigger step in our lifetimes. They did know that things would take place that the could never imagine. This is why the federal government’s abilities are so restricted and more power is given to the states to legislate more freely. In such a connected world as we have now though, maybe states aren’t a viable solution. Or maybe they are and we just don’t know how to live in them anymore.
It’s lasted for nearly a quarter of a millennium, that’s not exactly what I’d call a failure.
You say “quarter of a millennium” as if 250 years is more than 3 lifespans. The US is still a toddler compared to long-standing civilizations.
As it stands today, I don’t think our current form of government is sustainable for a vibrant and peaceful, progressive society. Although, lot of people would argue that that’s not a relevant metric. I believe a government’s job is to ensure the equity, health, safety, and prosperity of its people above all else. A lot of that is found in the constitution but modern ideas have been able to twist and manipulate those words for their own gain. Two examples; I don’t think SCOTUS has any business taking a case about abortion and I see it as a problem when five people appointed by republicans discard a portion of a constitutional amendment while four people appointed by democrats supported the full statement of the amendment. However, I still support this country’s intentional design for its people to have free and public discourse to learn from one another without stifling challenging ideas (as detrimental as that’s been recently). Our issue today is that we’re a lot of assholes who care more about personal freedoms than the good of the community. We care more about challenging ideas than considering them.
So, TL;DR, I think it’s a failure at the moment, I think it’s possible to be saved, but we have travelled well down the path where I don’t see that happening. I’m anxious to see what it takes to bring us back. RANKED. CHOICE. VOTING.
250 years is nothing for a civilization, and within that relatively tiny frame of time, we had an all encompassing civil war. And that’s without even touching all the BS going on today.
Its not a failure in the sense that it collapsed immediately, but I’d hardly call it a rousing success
This needs to be on billboards across the country.
Seriously, I’ll never fathom why we still even talk about the outside of history classes. They were humans, and not even particularly good ones. We’re the ones who have to live with the US of today, we get to decide how it’s run
It’s good to be concerned. If that treasonous rapist trump got in again, it’s game over for freedom and democracy globally.
I bet GWBush is scarred of it too. Even if he is a republican.
Who isn’t, except the dumb nutcases.
Let’s get real for a second, Biden and Trump are both terrible choices.
Pretty much the only ray of hope I have is that Biden dies before the election so a new Obama-type can slip in there.
Like why haven’t the Democrats been looking for someone else? They’ve had like 8 years to find someone that can beat Trump.
These “nut-cases” are not going to vote for Biden. And Biden hasn’t exactly been a great President. His weakness in Afghanistan and Ukraine looks really bad. He’s going to have a near-impossivle re-election.
What weakness exactly are you referring to in Ukraine? What do you want him to do, declare war on Russia?
I mean that’s what the 2020 primary was. They found someone who could beat Trump 3 years ago.
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I couldn’t care less about what Obama thinks when he squandered all that hopeful energy in 2008.
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If I could go back in time and either kill Hilter or convince Obama to lay off Trump at that White House Correspondents’ Dinner, the Jews would have lived 3 out of 4 times, but that 4th time, it would have been Rubio vs. Clinton (the butch one).
lmao what???
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Certainly how the rich prefer to play their dick waving games
I’ve always wondered what the world would be like if Hitler died or didn’t come into power. A lot good things happened because of the horrible things that Hitler caused.
Yeah I’m one of those who wouldn’t go back in time and kill Hitler as I’m not entirely sure it would have led to a better outcome. For starters Hitler didn’t build the concept of fascism, he was just the first to take it to its end state. Kill Hitler and you could just end up with a situation where WW2 was a fight against Himmler.
