Ukraine’s relationship with its international partners has become increasingly complex, and it was perhaps inevitable that tensions and differences of opinion between Kyiv and its allies arose as the war with Russia dragged on.
Well, that’s one hand-wavy ass way to justify souring ties with Ukraine.
Ukraine has to tread a fine line with its international friends. It is reliant on its partners for billions of dollars’ worth of military hardware, as well as other forms of humanitarian and financial assistance, and it needs a continuous and increasing supply of arms to fight Russia.
“We did all these nice things for ukraine, they should be more gratefull”. I’m expecting this to become one of the main talking points against ukraine in the medias as the west search for excuses to pull out of the ukraire-russia war.
It (Ukraine) insists, however, that it is fighting not only for its own survival but for the West, too, facing a hostile and unpredictable Russia.
Ha yes, it’s totally not the westerners that were like “if russia win, they’ll attack moldova and the baltic states and continue to push toward the west” just a few months ago. Seems to me like an attempt to turn that previous narrative around and frame it as a manipulation from ukraine to convince the west they should give them stuff. Of cource they would do this, libs are naive, not amnesic, they remember what the medias said about ukraine a few month ago. If they want to justify pulling out of the war their only option is to refraime all those things as a manipulation/propaganda campaign from ukraine to convince the west to help them fight an unwinable war.
Zelenskyy’s decision to tell his staunch backers that Ukraine deserved “respect,” as NATO met to discuss additional support for Kyiv, was a step too far.
Unless I misenderstood that sentence, westerner thinking their lackey asking for respect is “too far”.
The U.K., for one, he said, was not an Amazon warehouse that could supply endless weaponry to Kyiv when it was given a “shopping list.”
“A country we’e pledged to provide what they need to is asking us for things they need? The audacity!”
The Washington Post reported sources noting that U.S. officials had been so roiled that they had briefly considered watering down what Kyiv would be offered at the summit.
It’s happening guys, the infinite weapon flow is gonna slowly shrink!
“The comments made by Zelenskyy before the last summit did not really resonate well in Washington … the U.S. administration was very annoyed,” a source with knowledge of the matter who asked to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the situation, told CNBC.
The source noted that Washington had also been vexed by other episodes in the war in which Ukraine had seemingly ignored its advice, making the NATO episode more frustrating for the White House.
Yep, they are definitely starting to skew the narative toward something like “it’s all ukraine’s fault”. I’m not gonna highlight every passage that blame ukraine for something, but it’s pretty obvious what they are trying to do here.
In the end, the NATO alliance stood firm behind Kyiv and stressed its unity, keeping its eyes on the bigger objective: ensuring Russia does not “win” the war against its neighbor and becomes emboldened to attack other former Soviet republics.
Basically admitting that their main objective is (as we’ve been saying since the start of the war) to weaken russia and that ukraine winning was at most a secondary objective.
Retired British Gen. Richard Barrons defended Ukraine’s approach to Bakhmut, telling CNBC that, domestically, “Bakhmut matters” for Kyiv. Defending the town appeared to be part of Ukraine’s wider “starve, stretch and strike” strategy, the former commander of the U.K.’s Joint Forces Command noted, in which it sought to wear down the Russian occupiers, attacking reserves, ammunition supplies and logistics, and to stretch Russian forces along the 600-mile front line.
Ha yes, “starve, strech and strike” “”“strategy”“”. Continuously trying and failing to retake a strategically unimportant city for over a year is such a great strategy.
Though, this time they kinda fucked up. Like, of course, most libs are gonna bite, as usual. But for some of those that followed the ukraine narative closely enough, the sudden 180 of the narrative is gonna look sus. It’s gonna make some peoples doubt of the western media narative for sure.
I expect that people who became the most invested in the narrative are the ones who will become the most angry when they finally start having to accept that they’ve been lied to because that involves admitting stupidity on their part. Turns out that there is propaganda in the west after all, and they fell for it while people who rejected propaganda were the ones with functioning brains all along. That’s a hard pill to swallow for smug liberals who base their whole identity on being smarter than everyone else and dismissing others are Putler puppets who fall for Russian propaganda because they’re stupid and gullible. The more the narrative unravels the more unhinged these people are going to get.
Unhinged in what way? I think it’s gonna make a lot of them question western naratives, maybe we will see a wave of some of these peoples turning left in the comming month as the doubtfull start to dig and see just how much the west lie to their population, hopefully.
There could be a backlash when they realize they’ve been played for fools, but I expect in the short term they’re just going to keep doubling down on ever more absurd claims about the state of the war. I’m expecting Qnon levels of absurdity.
Well, that’s one hand-wavy ass way to justify souring ties with Ukraine.
“We did all these nice things for ukraine, they should be more gratefull”. I’m expecting this to become one of the main talking points against ukraine in the medias as the west search for excuses to pull out of the ukraire-russia war.
Ha yes, it’s totally not the westerners that were like “if russia win, they’ll attack moldova and the baltic states and continue to push toward the west” just a few months ago. Seems to me like an attempt to turn that previous narrative around and frame it as a manipulation from ukraine to convince the west they should give them stuff. Of cource they would do this, libs are naive, not amnesic, they remember what the medias said about ukraine a few month ago. If they want to justify pulling out of the war their only option is to refraime all those things as a manipulation/propaganda campaign from ukraine to convince the west to help them fight an unwinable war.
Unless I misenderstood that sentence, westerner thinking their lackey asking for respect is “too far”.
“A country we’e pledged to provide what they need to is asking us for things they need? The audacity!”
It’s happening guys, the infinite weapon flow is gonna slowly shrink!
Yep, they are definitely starting to skew the narative toward something like “it’s all ukraine’s fault”. I’m not gonna highlight every passage that blame ukraine for something, but it’s pretty obvious what they are trying to do here.
Basically admitting that their main objective is (as we’ve been saying since the start of the war) to weaken russia and that ukraine winning was at most a secondary objective.
Ha yes, “starve, strech and strike” “”“strategy”“”. Continuously trying and failing to retake a strategically unimportant city for over a year is such a great strategy.
There should be a whole degree on parsing western media language at this point.
Yes, it’s needed.
Though, this time they kinda fucked up. Like, of course, most libs are gonna bite, as usual. But for some of those that followed the ukraine narative closely enough, the sudden 180 of the narrative is gonna look sus. It’s gonna make some peoples doubt of the western media narative for sure.
I expect that people who became the most invested in the narrative are the ones who will become the most angry when they finally start having to accept that they’ve been lied to because that involves admitting stupidity on their part. Turns out that there is propaganda in the west after all, and they fell for it while people who rejected propaganda were the ones with functioning brains all along. That’s a hard pill to swallow for smug liberals who base their whole identity on being smarter than everyone else and dismissing others are Putler puppets who fall for Russian propaganda because they’re stupid and gullible. The more the narrative unravels the more unhinged these people are going to get.
Unhinged in what way? I think it’s gonna make a lot of them question western naratives, maybe we will see a wave of some of these peoples turning left in the comming month as the doubtfull start to dig and see just how much the west lie to their population, hopefully.
There could be a backlash when they realize they’ve been played for fools, but I expect in the short term they’re just going to keep doubling down on ever more absurd claims about the state of the war. I’m expecting Qnon levels of absurdity.