But the good thing is that it’s usually super easy to fix if something does break. The amount of headaches I had with PPAs and snap are worse than having an arch update break something. You can usually roll back the packages with issues (namely anything from nvidia).
I remember being very frustrated when they rolled out a kernal update this year that broke one of my USB slots.
I don’t remember anymore which version it was, just that it was very frustrating looking it up to find that it was a known issue but still considered low priority enough that shipping out was fine.
Edit: after half a year updated everything in arch and 2 of my USB ports still won’t turn on in the default kernel. Gotta remember which one actually works for them if I ever feel like using this laptop…
Manjaro is amazing if you don’t want to bullshit through the hassle of what the Arch installer has become. I understand the point of it is to get you more familiar with the linux system in general, but they had an installer and they ripped it out. Manjaro is basically just pre-configured Arch, so yeah. Despite all the purists “Manjaro isn’t arch!!”…in practice, it basically is.
you can say Manjaro is bad, completely fucked my system like twice then switched to endeavor, which is the spiritual successor to AntergOs https://endeavouros.com
Yeah, this, and I’m glad to see a level-headed response as to why Manjaro can sometimes be problematic. I would often see a site that listed reasons not to use Manjaro parroted on reddit and it was a fucking joke… like every point was either reaching or ridiculous.
But what you said is very reasonable. It is also why AUR is disabled by default and it is discouraged to use AUR in Manjaro unless you know exactly what you are doing. Because if you enable AUR in Manjaro there is a good chance that you will run into a dependency issue, and there is another chance that this dependency issues breaks your system.
With that said, I like Manjaro and have it installed on a couple systems. I think they have one of the best XFCE setups out of the box. And a few years ago when I got my new Legion 5 laptop, Manjaro was the only distro that the trackpad worked on. I tried Fedora and Ubuntu and Mint and PopOS, but none of them worked with it at the time.
Uh no? You just need the latest kernel which you can install with one click it you use mainline. You’ll also want the latest version of Mesa which you can through Kisak’s PPA. It should take maybe 10 minutes. The average user is going to spend way more than 10 minutes installing and setting up Arch…
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But the good thing is that it’s usually super easy to fix if something does break. The amount of headaches I had with PPAs and snap are worse than having an arch update break something. You can usually roll back the packages with issues (namely anything from nvidia).
I remember being very frustrated when they rolled out a kernal update this year that broke one of my USB slots.
I don’t remember anymore which version it was, just that it was very frustrating looking it up to find that it was a known issue but still considered low priority enough that shipping out was fine.
Edit: after half a year updated everything in arch and 2 of my USB ports still won’t turn on in the default kernel. Gotta remember which one actually works for them if I ever feel like using this laptop…
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Use old versions of software that doesn’t work, new versions of software that does work
Although it’s only fully possible in NixOS where the deps are not globally installed
Since Manjaro is forked from Arch, it would benefit from Arch’s updated drivers, right?
Manjaro is amazing if you don’t want to bullshit through the hassle of what the Arch installer has become. I understand the point of it is to get you more familiar with the linux system in general, but they had an installer and they ripped it out. Manjaro is basically just pre-configured Arch, so yeah. Despite all the purists “Manjaro isn’t arch!!”…in practice, it basically is.
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you can say Manjaro is bad, completely fucked my system like twice then switched to endeavor, which is the spiritual successor to AntergOs https://endeavouros.com
Yeah, this, and I’m glad to see a level-headed response as to why Manjaro can sometimes be problematic. I would often see a site that listed reasons not to use Manjaro parroted on reddit and it was a fucking joke… like every point was either reaching or ridiculous.
But what you said is very reasonable. It is also why AUR is disabled by default and it is discouraged to use AUR in Manjaro unless you know exactly what you are doing. Because if you enable AUR in Manjaro there is a good chance that you will run into a dependency issue, and there is another chance that this dependency issues breaks your system.
With that said, I like Manjaro and have it installed on a couple systems. I think they have one of the best XFCE setups out of the box. And a few years ago when I got my new Legion 5 laptop, Manjaro was the only distro that the trackpad worked on. I tried Fedora and Ubuntu and Mint and PopOS, but none of them worked with it at the time.
I usually just move the sources so that they point to arch, so I didn’t even think about this.
https://root.nix.dk/en/notes-and-bookmarks/convert-manjaro-to-arch – doing this may be just as much as a hassle as a hand-install, but I find it’s much less stressful on me than not having a network up, not having drivers running, etc when I do it.
Arch actually has an installer again and it’s fantastic https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archinstall
Ah fuck well you just determined the course of my weekend with this comment
Shit, it was a nightmare getting my R9 390 working with 22.04. And don’t get me started on trying to do a RAID 0 install.
Uh no? You just need the latest kernel which you can install with one click it you use mainline. You’ll also want the latest version of Mesa which you can through Kisak’s PPA. It should take maybe 10 minutes. The average user is going to spend way more than 10 minutes installing and setting up Arch…
So you go with OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. Well tested with OpenQA and a lot less effort than Arch, but still has the latest software and up-to-date drivers.
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