Of course, that’s to be expected, with people migrating from Reddit and all, but the title is kind of badly worded.
Feel there’s a lot more argumentative and just kind of… angry users on here. (have you seen Sync fans biting everyone’s asses over saying money should be spent funding instances and not an app?)
Live laugh love Lemmy though :)
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Ironically Sync can block entire instances.
can also filter keywords
Funny, connect can do that too
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Exactly, I don’t like locally stored settings because I have many devices and I don’t want to remember to change something on every device every time
Really? I thought that needed to be implemented on Lemmy’s level. Guess it’s built in to ActivityPub because Mastodon could always do that. Definitely was a needed feature.
And so can kbin
You may already be comfortable with another app or the web version of Lemmy, but I recommend ‘Connect for Lemmy’ if you’re looking for instance blocking. It allows you to block instances as a user.
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This seems like such a (relatively) simple fix, I’m surprised it hasn’t been implemented yet. I’m almost tempted to try writing a PR of my own at this point.
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kbin has that feature!
When you block an instance on kbin does that mean users from that instance don’t see your content at all when logged into that instance? That’s something I’ve wanted in case in the future some instances federate with Meta, so I don’t provide content for Meta users to see or interact with so they need to log out of Meta or sign up for another instance to view content.
I don’t think so, it just prevents you from seeing that instance’s content including their comments on your posts but not anything else
I think once that becomes a possibility it’ll make defederation unnecessary. Especially when it comes to Meta, since that’s really become the thing I’ve become more concerned about in the future than squabbles between currently existing instances.
Connect and I believe Thunder can block entire instances as well as specific communities and users
If somebody develops that feature, they’ve said they’ll merge it. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2397#issuecomment-1658761077
Yes … yes … more isolation, more bubbles…
You think people should be forced to see things they don’t want to?
it does seem to me that the people that whinge about bubbles are mostly people espousing reprehensible opinions, while ironically being most aligned with the people in the deepest conservative bubbles.
Gee I wonder what kind of opinion the person who down voted you has
I’m not agreeing with the above, but it’s nuanced. Content curation is a sliding scale that can create an echo chamber if one becomes too insular. On the internet especially where discourse can be inflammatory, avoiding some topics can shut you off from entire ideas that may otherwise be benign.
IMO create the experience you want, but build resilience and test your limits often. It’s healthier for yourself and the internet as a community.
I’m very much in agreement with you. I think there’s an important value in seeking out those you disagree with. If your values can’t stand under scrutiny then you really do need to carefully consider them.
At the same time there’s space between what you disagree with and what is harmful to your state of mind for most people. Plenty of people don’t want to see anything NSFW and removing that is in no way turning their experience into a bubble.
Nuance is absolutely an important word here but I think the knee jerk isolation response to mention of blocking things is far more harmful than helpful.
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This isn’t a Reddit problem, it’s a human problem. The more people who join, the more trolls, edge lords, and just plain assholes will show their ugly heads. Instead of lamenting the “Reddit like” nature and jumping ship, I’d say just work on tailoring your experience. Stop browsing All, subscribe to the communities you enjoy, and block or ignore the instances and people you don’t want to see. We have the ability to tailor this experience to our liking, it just takes a bit of effort. And above all, just keep being positive and encouraging to others and that will spread around.
You should be balanced in your assessment, it’s not just the “Sync fans biting everyone’s asses”, also some of the sync hate and name calling has been pretty extreme and reddity as well… Both extremes seem to fit the bill of your criticism
Honestly, yeah. I’ve been pretty disappointed in general, to be honest. Once you take away all the bot-spam, zero-effort memes, and doomerism, there isn’t a while lot of actual content on here.
Which is unfortunate, because I love the concept of Lemmy, and I can’t go back to Reddit. I’m still holding out hope, though.
I have to agree. Especially with that last one. The amount of cynical and/or pessimistic people on here making up a strong vocal (hopefully) minority is really disappointing
Is this comment not cynical and/or pessimistic?
I’m simply stating what I see and that it’s disappointing. Not sure how that can be seen as cynical or pessimistic
I’m not getting any of that stuff because I don’t subscribe to communities that allow that stuff.
I’ve just taken a look at the “all” tab for the first time and I agree it’s horrendous - but it was like that on Reddit as well, I think the solution is to only subscribe to what you’re interested in.
Yeah, definitely. On Reddit I used to browse both Subscribed and All (with lots of filters). I agree that it was rough there too, but unfortunately I just haven’t found enough active communities here to subscribe to.
Either way, I’m here for the long haul, and I’m sure it’ll get better over time.
there isn’t a while lot of actual content on here.
I mean how many posts/threads do you really need a day? I read 10-15 or so. That’s plenty
10-15? That’s childs play. I honestly read probably an order of magnitude more than that.
In my current subscribed feed, I’m lucky to get 10-15 posts total in a week, and even on All I don’t see nearly 10-15 threads I’m actually interested in in a week.
I realize a large part of this could be that I need to subscribe to more communities, but I haven’t seen any more that I’m into yet.
Interesting! I actually have not subscribed to a ton of stuff yet, but I feel like I’m seeing more than enough per day. The actual comments/threads aren’t super populated necessarily, but frankly, I think that’s a good thing. It’s keeping me from doom scrolling and I’m not getting bogged down in arguments like I used to on Reddit.
In my experience, this has always been a problem after a forum grows beyond a certain size. It’s not really a Reddit-exclusive thing. It’s also not related to karma/reputation-tracking, IMO.
Early adopters of a small, somewhat empty community are people who want to grow the community and encourage posting. Discussion is bright and careful in certain ways because it’s usually just a few commenters interacting with each other who all want the same thing.
Once a community grows big enough to support lurkers and a variety of topics, with multifaceted discussion happening naturally, you have a familiar effect happen: you know how people are disproportionately more likely to review a product or business if they had a negative experience than a positive one? Well, in a similar way, when there’s enough content to lurk (and not be one of the early enthusiasts who post in spite of a lack of content, as a duty to help the community grow), then lurkers are more likely to come out of the woodwork and join a discussion when they see something they disagree with or feel strongly about.
Honestly, though, it has a few silver linings. I grew up learning a lot from arguments online in various places. Sometimes they are handled well and sometimes they are handled poorly by the participants. Learn from both. It’s great to see two sides of an issue, even a petty one. It can teach you a ton about how to behave well, how to actually persuade someone on a topic, and how to avoid conflict in the first place. It can also teach you about a controversial topic you knew little about, and spark your curiosity to learn more (if only to refute something with citations) and sometimes change your opinion altogether.
The healthy/toxic dichotomy starts in your own mind. You can’t control others, but you can control yourself. So find those little positive nuggets where you can.
Well, have you seen FOSS fans biting everyone’s asses over saying user experience is important and labor should be paid? Yeah, people getting their preferences called out and ridiculed usually causes that. It’s like getting into a small subreddit and stirring shit by saying that their collective opinion is wrong.
Before the great Reddit exodus, Lemmy was just an echo chamber for a small subset of like-minded people. Now you get Reddit Lite. Enjoy it!!
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This comment is almost poetic lol
I died a little when I read “Live laugh love lemmy”. That should be illegal!
I’m about to have a g*mer moment over that. Disgusting
This is one of the most reddit-y posts I’ve seen so fae
I noticed it when going outside my subscribed feed shifted from being kind of nerdy tech and games topics to being more flooded with memes and a whole lot of politics and news. Not that there’s anything wrong with those communities. It’s just not what I’m interested in, and with that type of content starting to dominate and making it harder to find new communities I’m interested in I started blocking a bunch of communities again. Especially when communities like against____spam started popping up, since those spam the most content about ____.
You take any topic, with passionate fans and they’ll defend it. A lot of it probably from the backlash was the first thing they saw.
I’ll keep it real, I paid for Sync because of the decade history with that app and plan on doing the same (a post linked a way to do it) with the instance I’m in. I see me being on Lemmy a lot and looking forward to keeping the positive vibes going.
See but at least some of that is going to make it back to an instance host and help keep servers going, and I think that’s the biggest gripe myself and a lot of people have with the sync iaps and advertising
Why do you think it’s an either/or? It isn’t at all.
Besides, sync was always monetized, and everyone that was asking/begging Dawson to migrate the app knew that. The only people surprised are people that didn’t use it to begin with, and aren’t going to use it now.
Were you not a reddit user, or a third party app user? Like, most of the reddit apps were Monetized in some way. Apollo, the app that was the tipping point for the reddit rage was heavily monetized, and people were begging Christian to port it over.
The whole thing is crazy. If a given person wants to use it and pay for it, that’s their business. Dawson did nothing bad by porting the app, or monetizing it from the beginning. How many great apps have fucked up by not monetizing from the beginning? Look at pushbullet and how it started so great, but then had to backpeddle and increase monetizing, only to alienate users because it was a change.
I’m sorry you don’t like capitalism, and I’m sorry we’re stuck inside it too. But an app like this is a pretty time intensive thing. You either kill your spare time working on it as a hobby, or you monetize so you can avoid how much time it sucks from you by not having to work on other things.
Besides, sync was always monetized, and everyone that was asking/begging Dawson to migrate the app knew that. The only people surprised are people that didn’t use it to begin with, and aren’t going to use it now.
I’m an iPhone user so never had Sync, but even I’m confused about how upset people are. It’s like they’re trying to be offended on behalf of Sync users? Like…Sync users aren’t forced to use it and aren’t forced to pay for it. They choose to because they like the app and appreciate what the dev does. I loved Apollo and while I know Christian isn’t going to make a Lemmy app, if he did I would pay for it/pay for an ad free version because I know he does good work and I like his product.
There’s a lot of people saying
“Can we not do that reddit thing here?”
Like it or hate it, reddit is a monolithic cultural icon. The things you think are “reddit” things are part of one of the most popular internet cultures of all time.
Have you not heard of Barbara Streisand? As reddit fractures, it’s culture will bleed into every corner of the web their users occupy.
You will not contain a culture with your opinions or words. Your options are:
Accept it. Bite your tongue. Downvote. Don’t engage.
Or
Be miserable.
For the love of God, stop complaining about it and trying to control it. Barbra Streisand.
This is sad and defeatist
Sure people will do people things but we have a chance to make communities that don’t put up with that kind of bullshit, and we should
Ok so you choose be miserable.
Good luck.
Third option: go elsewhere.
Caveat: it will follow you there too.
Lol
I’ve only had one thread conversation which really felt like a proper Reddit one (and it wasn’t a political one, a TV related one).
It depends on your definition but for me it’s roughly ‘able to have civil conversation/debate without descending into attacks or points being dismissed because you don’t like them and generally feeling like you’re dealing with a 14 year old’
That said not every Reddit interaction is completely shit, it’s just more likely to become that way
The lack of bots help. Honestly I wasn’t sure how many posts on the old site were made by actual people anymore (or just hired propagandists/“advertisers”) .
My last scroll through the front page had the stink of CHATGPT + paid posters/reposters on it and the comments were just repeated deja vu.
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It’s intersting that the very first paid app that I can recall for lemmy, kbin, or Mastodon is one that showed up with ad integration. Kind of intersting for platforms that don’t have ads to begin with.
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Just my personal experience, but I do feel like people have been a lot quicker to be snippy and not as nice and welcoming these last two weeks or so compared to a 2 months ago when I first got here.
