I’ve been more and more conscious about microplastics. I was not aware that the laundry and dishwasher pods are just plastic which then goes into the water system.
What can be done to prevent microplastics?
Nothing? Stop using so many plastic things.
Unless everyone changes, there’s microplastic in your drinking water. The problem is so far along that even if we stopped all plastic products sale and manufacturing today, and actively worked to clean out all of the microplastic from the globe on an unprecedented level, we would still have microplastic issues by the time you die, even if you live longer than any human has ever lived before.
This isn’t “it’s hopeless and we shouldn’t bother”, it’s more “there’s more to do than can be done in anyone’s lifetime, so try not to make it any worse”.
It’s good that you’re aware and trying, you should keep doing that. Worrying about it all the time isn’t really helpful. Just try not to unnecessarily contribute to the problem.
I’ve been avoiding plasticware for food for about a decade, I drink from glasses or glass bottles, never use disposable utensils etc, but I wasn’t paying that much attention to fabric content until I had a baby. I was more concerned with the chemical leeching directly, but then I read more about how microplastics effect the endocrine system and how infants are especially vulnerable due to their size and how they chew on everything. That spurred me to only get plant based fabrics for the kiddo, mostly from 2nd hand shops. I think the only plastic stuff he wears is his snow gear and shoes. I know I can’t protect him forever, but I’ll do what I can where I can.
At some point in your life you realize that you can’t worry about things you don’t have control about
Do pods not just dissolve?
Dissolving doesn’t mean it no longer exists. The particles are just too small to see.
Why worry about something I can’t control. The sack of meat I call a body will only take so much abuse from the world’s oligarchs before it gives up…their bodies too.
I can rearrange me life to the most extremes, but my neighbour will still burn garbage and consume twice as much as I ever will within a week. There’s no stopping this until companies are held accountable and the rich are jailed, which we all know will never happen.
Ah yes climate doomerism. “The Earth is going to become uninhabitable, but there’s nothing anyone can do about it now so I’ll just keep on keeping on”. Classic!
If all the people with a brain who give a shit stress themselves out into having health issues and heart attacks, what are we left with?
Health issues and heart attacks.
I never said nothing cant be done…
Spoken like a true person under 40
I don’t get it. Not worrying about things you can’t control is an “under 40” take? It seems like a sane human take regardless of age.
The “why worry what I can’t control” is the under-40 part, but to be honest I initially considered under-30.
But by 40 you’d more likely than not have or care about children, and then you’d be worrying more about the the world you leave for them. Since they’re always copying you, you’d be more aware that every action has consequences, and that includes cynicism (especially since, by 40, you’re more likely to accept the idea that you don’t know everything).
Maybe by then it’d be in your self-interest to make the world better even by little increments instead of wearing sarcasm like a cloak of invisibility.
Because many of us were thrust into an extremely fucked up world where caring all the time will give you anxiety and leave you feeling hopeless. It’s much more productive to focus your efforts on things you can control instead of being upset about the things you can’t. I’m very conscious of the world I leave behind. I respect nature, don’t litter, don’t own a car, limit my meat intake, and most importantly I’m not having children. All of these things will contribute to a better world, but they don’t require me to care about anything outside of my control.
This has nothing to do with age, and everything to do with trying to be okay in an increasingly more depressing world. I just want to exist and not dread everything all the time.
Okay, so let’s blame boomers for it, shall we then?
Would it have been better for you in the 60s, with the Cold War? 50s during the Red Scare? Hope you’re not a writer…
How about the 40s, with WWII? 30s & 20s, with the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl? Maybe the teens - nah, WWI. How about the poverty, plague conditions (a la Sinclair Lewis) and the diseases of the early Industrial Revolution? No? Okay - how about the agrarian 1800s, but then there’s slavery and civil war… and on, and on throughout history.
I hate to say it, but comparatively we’re in a Golden Age - and it is decaying. We celebrate billionaires like they’re rock stars and re-elect politicians who do nothing for the working man (and woman), but instead go on fake crusades that serve no-one but their self interests. Wokism, the rights of eggs, guns before people, and today no divorce if you’re pregnant - it’s like the Red Scare all over again, and anyone who doesn’t align with it is an “Enemy of the People” - except it’s the actual people that suffer.
It’s not a Generation - every generation gets dumped into the shit the previous one made - it’s the Politics. When some politicians take one half of us and then point at the other half and say “they’re why you suffer”, it’s a lie. We fight amongst ourselves so they can prosper.
Fight, by all means, but fight for better representation and make sure they stick to the promises they make. And not just representation in our politicians but also in work. Unions can and have been a force of good for the average worker - support them so your one voice can make a difference.
Fight the good fights. Don’t waste your time fighting each other for scraps, for lies, for someone’s else’s power.
I wasn’t blaming it on anyone. I was just explaining why so many young people, myself included, choose to not give any thought to things they can’t control. It’s not worth the mental energy and will make you depressed and miserable. I’m all for fighting for things that can be changed, but there’s only so much one person can do. Prioritizing what one can give effort to is a much better way to go about it than stressing out about everything wrong with the world.
Not to berate you, but your response is as if this is something new for your generation. We all go through this shit unless we’re insulated from it by daddy’s money or power.
Is it worth your mental energy to fight for change? I’d say it is - over time, it’s the only thing that has worked. Letting it slip for someone else to fix is exactly what screws us over, generation to generation.
Hang in there - we’re all in this together. As I said before, fight the good fight.
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No, thinking that the missing ingredient to solve microplastics is to punish powerful people, is the under 40 part.
So being a capitalist bootlicker is a monolithic feature of the over-40 crowd?
Ok boomer.
Just because you’ve learned some new words doesn’t necessarily mean you can string them into a cogent sentence… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’ll take that as a yes, boomer.
Or should I say bootlicker?
Oh, have you got a life of regrets to come.
Enjoy!
this is a case where I basically decide not to worry about something so staggeringly out of my control
First they came for our Lead based fuel Then they came for our Lead based paint They’re not touching Lead based ammo, because Lead based ammo isn’t killing people. People are killing people.
I bet the bigger impact/microplastic culprit is the clothes themselves.
Not only that, but aside from fossil fuels, what’s the next worst culprit of greenhouse gas emissions? Fashion. Our practices in producing cheap, poorly made replaceable clothes and not making the effort into at least splashing out into clothes that last longer and maybe even repairing what we’ve got is a huge problem.
Most pairs of shoes I buy often don’t last longer than 3 months. And when I do finally get one that lasts longer I wear them till the soles fall out of them. My current pair I’ve had for at least 2-3 years.
Don’t forget to check out your local cobbler! What you really want in good shoes are good uppers (the main body of the shoe). The soles have always and forever through history been meant to be replaced after a while, since it’s something you walk on every day.
With some nice leather uppers and a good local cobbler, and you can keep a pair of shoes going for quite a while :)
I guess I need a second set of shoes so when I send my old ones off to the shoe repairer I still have something to wear.
That’s my problem now, Ive only got one good-ish pair, and they ain’t leather
Leather was just an example I gave off the top of my head, since it’s notoriously sturdy, but good shoes by no means need to be leather! Lots of good shoes come in all sorts of materials, so if a pair is treating you well (or it’s all you have), having them resoled when the bottoms wear out could be a good option.
That’s a really good point. It’s unfortunate that polyester tends to be the go-to cheap option for clothes
There’s so much clothing already made that, with the exception of underwear or socks, you could assemble a large and diverse wardrobe of good quality plant fiber clothes entirely from 2nd hand clothing bought for as cheap or cheaper than you’d find new polyester stuff. Thrift shops, Vinted, Ebay, Poshmark etc have tons of good stuff for cheaper than retail.
I just hope we can swap them out for hemp ASAP… I really want to get to the point where hemp is only a few bucks more and an elimination of corn subsidies along with a virgin plastics tariff could go a long way
All I’ve ever heard about microplastics is that everyone is filled with them and that they are everywhere.
What I haven’t heard is why that is a concern. Is it going to affect my health in the long run? When? How much do I have to have consumed for it be an issue?
Even if we identify those issues, can it be removed? Will it make a difference?
For such a ‘everyone is now worried about this’ type problem, I never once heard why they’re concerned. I suppose I could look it up, but I’m surprised that all of the discussion is about the issue existing, but not why it’s an issue to begin with.
A recent study indicated they appear to contribute to strokes and heart attacks.
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Detergent pods?
Boy are you about to lose 81 minutes of your life that you’ll be happy to waste: https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFOQW4J4mT3E4f_Y6O7H4OFq2SXKpWLF2
Great watch! Never knew I wanted to know so much about dishwashers
I really like that guy from the videos, so if you do, too, also check his video about a 50 year old toaster out! (It’s cooler than any toasters we have nowadays and I want one) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OfxlSG6q5Y
I had one growing up. My sister has one now that she found in a thrift store. They are awesome.
maybe I should start checking thrift stores around me as well, hmmm… I doubt I’m going to find one of these seeing as I am in germany lol
edit: actually looks like there are a bunch available on ebay. I really should check those thrift stores around me…
I don’t even need to click the link. All Lemmy users (including myself) just share one personality.
Technology connections huh?
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Make a list of all the things to worry about. Where does microplastics fall on that list? Is it above or below flushing with the toilet lid open?
It bothers me that people are worried about this and pfas but not nitrogen oxides or failures-to-deliver. It shows we worry about what we are told to worry about, rather than what maybe we should worry about.
What is failure-to-deliver? A woman who stays pregnant fo the rest of her life?
Pretty much. It is when someone sells stock in a company but never delivers the stock. It’s a great way to steal a bunch of money from the economy.
Use the prioritization list template from “What Color Is Your Parachute.”
I’ll try it out. https://www.beverlyryle.com/prioritizing-grid
Between climate change, civil unrest, and the possibility of WW3, I’m not sure if I or anyone else is going to live long enough for it to be an issue. When all the immediate civilization-collapsing problems are solved, I’ll worry about microplastics in earnest.
Nothing can be done to prevent microplastics. They’re already out there.
The problem will solve itself via microbiology. Organisms will evolve that eat plastic and then it’ll be “over” (by which I mean there will be a constant, but not increasing, amount of microplastics in the environment).
In the meantime, our health will suffer and hopefully our medical technology will expand to handle the negative outcomes.
Our civilization relies too heavily on plastic. And that’s not a bad thing. It has its drawbacks, but plastic is also super useful as a material and it’s part of what we are.
We aren’t just Homo sapiens any more. We’re Homo sapiens cybogified. Giving up plastic means giving up what we are. Going back is an illusion that we create for children so they can have an environment that mimics our environment of evolutionary adaptedness. In the real world, the world that an adult by definition engages with, change is a constant.
We have filled the world with plastic and there’s no way in our power to get rid of it. But nature has a way. Life has a way to handle it, and it will.
It takes a very long time for evolution to adapt to changing environments. We’ve littered the planet with microplastics in less than a century. I’m not sure it can adapt that quickly.
It could give rise to organisms with mechanisms already in place to deal with them. Unfortunately, the organisms with no such traits aren’t going to magically mutate. Good news for the organisms that can process micro plastics, less predation.
If people do start dieing en masse, though, and modern science has to quickly adapt we might see some major advancements in bio technology. Biggest thing being, lifting some of the taboos around gene manipulation.
Please take everything I say with a grain of salt. I tend to fantastical thinking.
There are already plastic eating bacteria
So at least there’s that
There are, but it’s more of a question of how quickly they could go global and counteract the microplastics.
I think that being informed can help dilute the worry. Here’s what I’ve learned:
Most microplastics found inside humans come from synthetic clothing followed by car tires. Theres a great Veritasium video on this. Plastic cookware is also a consideration.
Food & Cookware
Don’t buy dishwasher pods, they’re worse for the environment (plastic waste) and worse for your wallet than just a regular fluid container. Both fluid container and pod container are plastic so theres not much improvement to be had there.
My friend with a Chemical Engineering degree tells me that the plastics are stable chemically, and insufficient evidence exists to deem them harmful when left alone in cool temperatures. HOWEVER, unreacted precursor chemicals and thermosets are highly reactive, and new plastics come still coated with this. New car smell? Thats unreacted precursor, and it’s very harmful. Additionally, plastic cookware also gets hot, breaking it down slowly, and potentially making it harmful.
Avoid plastics and “non-stick” coatings in cookware.
Clothing
First thought is to avoid synthetic clothing, but theres a catch… Synthetic clothing is significantly better at blocking harmful UV light from the sun. For example, polyester & Nylon UPF is about 30-50+, whereas cotton is around 5. UPF = SPF generally. For this, I prefer wool (UPF ~40) or denim (UPF 1000+ off the chart). However, thats hot, so using some tight knit polyester shirts is a must in warm climates. Many shirts from retailers like REI have this stuff. So far, the ones I own have never shed noticeably, though that may change.
Why am I talking about sun protection? Remember, the goal is your health, not fearful avoidance of one harm that subjects you to another.
For all fabrics that aren’t expected to protect from the sun, natural fibers are preferred. Included is bedding, towels, bathrobe, pajamas, casual clothing, socks, etc.
Other thoughts
For all of this, my friend says that I probably don’t need to worry, and I have never seen convincing evidence that microplastics are harmful inside the body. Yet, I operate as if it were proven, because I don’t want to risk reading that I’ve been poisoning myself ten years from now.
I’m happier to live in an age of micro plastics than lead and asbestos and extreme smog.
I would highly recommend getting a UV flashlight with a 365nm wavelength. That wavelength makes leaded glass easy to identify and glow blue. I got one and lead is still very much prevalent in a large amount of drinking glasses that I shine it on.
China still doesn’t really have restrictions on lead and brass plumbing fixtures in America still had 8% lead as recent as 2014
