When I first started this show I found it to be a really awkward mix of comedy and seriousness. It had some jokes thrown it at the most inopportune times as some kind of comic relief from a really serious situation. Perhaps the first half of the first season was actually a bit rough or maybe the show just grew on me, but by season 2 I found myself loving this show.
To me it seems as every bit as comfy, intellectually interesting and even funny as some classic Star Treks while still clearly being its own thing. I wish more comfy space shows like this would get made.
What are your thoughts on The Orville? Also I miss Alara.
Better Star Trek than actual Star Trek.
Modern Star Trek, right?
EDIT By “modern Star Trek” I mean every show from Discovery to Strange New Worlds.
Ahhhhh Lower Decks came out between those two shows release dates and it’s a great show.
Yes I’ll die on that hill.
I just rewatched it’s namesake episode of TNG… it’s dark.
Yup, you got it. Fucking nutrek. That shit tier writing belongs in star wars, not star trek.
I really liked it.
The early seasons were less serious than later ones. But overall, it did well with serious social issues and addresses some very relevant topics.
The storyline with Topah was absolutely amazing. At every step, each character was portrayed well, and respectfully. It’s rare that there is a story like that that still has conflict without having a clear villain.
The time travel episode with Gordon was also especially brutal with some great performances from everyone on screen.
There were a few misses. I found the Isaac / Doctor relationship… forced, even if it did bring us the best line in decades (“As I am incapable of stuttering, I must conclude that you heard me.”). I also don’t think I’m alone with disliking the Charlie character in season 3.
I loved how Klyden grew through that story line, realizing what his prejudice was costing him and growing!
The Klyden storyline has so many nuances to it. It’s not just that Klyden is a bigot. “He” was also re-gendered so he knows what Topa is going through and feeling far better than anyone else. A big part of his intransigence comes from a place of, “If I had to deal with this trauma, so should everyone else.” It helps explain his extreme position without letting him off the hook and I really liked that.
For sure. I’m calling him “he”, because thats what he appears to identify with.
Hes undeniably a bigiot at the beginning, but i think a lot of that comes from… a gamblers fallacy, worrying what hes already invested in his identity, and knowing he might have been wrong, and it reaches a crescendo, before Klyden is forced to realize hes made the wrong decision, and rejoins his husband and daughter.
so good.
I think it’s deeper than that. Klyden exists to represent Moclan society as a whole. He is the stand-in for their traditions, world, history, and culture.
We, the audience, are presented at the onset with a society that is male-only. The ship’s crew, along with us, are sort of hand-waved away when asking questions about how things work in the bedroom, but on the whole, no one seems to have a problem with their culture. In fact, we even see this male-only species reproduce successfully before we learn that there are the potential for female infants.
In Moclan society, being born female is an aberration. It’s not a biological necessity, and, for whatever reason, the Moclan culture views “being female” as a birth defect, one that can be easily corrected. It’s sort of how, today, we view children born with a clef palette. There’s no good reason to keep it around, and lots of reasons to repair it as soon as possible. Klyden represents this mindset and viewpoint perfectly.
Imagine someone fighting tooth-and-nail to not repair a cleft palette, or some other easily-fixable birth defect. Imagine them standing up in court and declaring that this obvious flaw is something that no one has the right to fix. Klyden is, from his own experience, outraged, and furious. Put yourself in his shoes, and his actions have nothing to do with bigotry, or hate. He’s not angry at his child for being female, or at his husband for supporting her decision to become female. He’s mad at the world because his entire world-view is challenged by his family.
In fact, he sees his culture, history, society, and even legal system saying that he is right, that the child should be male, and then he sees his husband and child, serving on a Union starship, talking nonsense about a “choice.” That line where he says he wishes she’d never been born wasn’t anger at her. It was anger that he is being forced to choose, and no matter which thing he chooses, he will loose a huge part of himself – either his family, or his history.
And if he chooses his family, he has to confront the fact that what was done to him was just as wrong as what he did to his daughter.
Few people, even space aliens, have the emotional maturity to handle that kind of revelation in the moment without doing something regrettable.
But fuck, this kind of novel is why I love this show so much. When was the last time you had a long talk about that time Riker killed all his clones?
Well put!
I think they screwed up the ending of the Gordon episode. If they’d cut from the captain and the team walking out of the door to Gordon being back on the ship packing away the phone and other things, it would have left it more to the viewers to decide if the decision was right or wrong.
Maybe.
On the flip side, the way it ended worked as a sort of “what if?” story about what Gordon is capable of.
Maybe plans for some later season involve Gordon turning on Mercer for similar reasons, again?
I don’t know. Given what was taken from him, and how grateful he was that it was done, I think they took that option away.
Best part of season three is Charlie’s death. Felt almost forced in a way, but not in a good way. Like Charlie is an ensign but is on the bridge because she’s really smart at 4d maneuvering or something, and they bring her everywhere. Definitely great when she finally went.
The Gordon/Time travel episode was brutal. It’s the episode I keep referring to when attempting to get my girlfriend to suspend her dislike of Seth McFarlane enough to give the show a shot. I will be very disappointed if there isn’t a 4th episode.
It felt way more like Star Trek than the Star Trek being made at the time (primarily Discovery). Though I do like Strange New Worlds and think it’s more in the right direction, The Orville still feels way more like TNG-era Trek.
Now we just need a Galaxy Quest / Orville crossover to really confuse everyone.
Now we just need a Galaxy Quest / Orville crossover to really confuse everyone.
Sokath, his eyes uncovered!
The river in winter and temba his arms wide my money!
I expected the Orville to be a funny homage to Star Trek. For a short time it was just that. Actually a randy one with too much toilet humor. But then suddenly they became serious SciFi. Which I consider a bold move and mostly but not utterly a successful one. And in hindsight, it would have been hard to deliver good SciFi-Humor for more than one Season except if they went the Futurama-Path.
The part of the funny homage to Star Trek nowadays has been taken by Lower Decks. Humorwise it beats everything Orville had ever offered.
Orville is good. Not great but worth watching. They had some AMAZING episodes with depth and ideas among the best ST-Episodes. But they also had a lot of mediocre episodes. Still Better than ST-Discovery for sure. Even surpassing ST-Picard. Which is something Seth can be proud of.
Orville started when there was no Startrek and no serious Soap-SiFi at all (The Expanse is something different).
For me it is “Startrek when Startrek wasn’t” and basically revived the Franchise it wanted to make fun of.
I like it.
The one with the porn virus on their holodeck was fantastic. But yeah, you sum it up very nice.
I literally shed tears while watching the first episode because I didn’t realize how badly I needed new star trek that doesn’t suck. I just hit me right where I needed it to scratch that itch, and I was so overwhelmed. Also it made me hate even more what “real” trek has become. Huge fan, I didn’t realize season 3 is already on, gotta check it out.
Excellent review
Always thought the whole parody aspect was just a means to get funding to just make a regular star trek series in disguise. If someone would just give the man money for exactly that we would have an awesome star trek series.
The Orville is my favorite Star Trek franchise. It’s canon - you can’t deny it. The Orville revived the Star Trek Franchise and gave it a pulse. It’s like blockchain. You can say it doesn’t belong, but it will always be there and nothing can change that. It has great attention to detail and decent story writing with that original “there’s a moral in this episode” that endeared ST in our hearts, something the newer ST franchises lack.
And Galaxy Quest is the best Star Trek movie since the Undiscovered Country.
After the first season, which was an obligatory “Star Trek Type Show Finds Its Feet” season, it really hit its stride to become the best Star Trek since DS9. Not in name, but certainly in spirit. So earnest, with a great message throughout. Sure it had some mediocre jokes here and there but so did TNG, let’s not forget. I was sitting around just the other day thinking how I missed watching The Orville
I feel the same way. Hope it comes back for another season.
It was the best Trek we had in ages. Held me over until we got SNW and Lower Deck.
Pundits say there won’t be another season because he’s focusing on the Ted series. It’s supposedly doing well so no time for Orville
It was the best Trek we had in ages. Held me over until we got SNW and Lower Deck.
Ditto. A real return to form, even if that form involved a lot of Space Wizards and other silly bullshit.
I honestly think the whole diplomatic triangle between the Planetary Union, the Krill/Moclan, and the Kaylon played out better than anything TNG managed. The Orville is easily on par with DS9 as one of the best sci-fi dramas produced to date.
I loved it because it had all the eye candy and high concept stuff I’m looking for but they didn’t take themselves too seriously.
I didn’t mind the acting or the incongruent personality quirks. I actually found most of it pretty endearing in a little relaxing. He probably should have broken the fourth wall a little more often.
Overtime the formula got a little too predictable. With the exception of an episode here and there are the story arcs were getting tired.
I enjoyed watching it, I wouldn’t mind seeing more, but I have no urge whatsoever to go back and do a rewatch.
Agree on all counts, definitely regarding the story arcs too.
I was initially turned off from it too because of the awkward comedy early on. But I have it another go and ended up enjoying it as an extension of Star Trek.
The vibe I get is he wanted to make a Star Trek show, but since he’s that comedy guy he probably got it greenlit as a comedy and then just slowly morphed into just Star Trek while the producers weren’t looking. I’m basing this on nothing, it’s just a funny head cannon.
It’s not a stretch to say it’s the only thing of this era that picks up the legacy of TNG trek. Lower decks is fun but too short to really do what full episodes could and while Strange New Worlds is ok… it still doesn’t feel in the spirit that I’m looking for.
The vibe I get is he wanted to make a Star Trek show, but since he’s that comedy guy he probably got it greenlit as a comedy and then just slowly morphed into just Star Trek while the producers weren’t looking.
This is actual reality, so you nailed it. Seth approached Paramount with a pitch for a nostalgic reboot of the TNG era, they said no, so he went to Fox who he had a great relationship with due to Family Guy and created The Orville.
Whether the producers were unaware of the slow transition to actual speculative fiction or not is unclear for the first few seasons. I think the final season shows that it was overt, however, since after changing networks the whole tone, production quality, and even the actual time length of the episodes all changed.
I’d describe it as a more irreverent version of a Star Trek universe with more realistic interactions among peers on the ship. A place where instead of it being an idealistic utopian society where everyone is a driven, passionate genius in their field, they’re just people with jobs, have normal messy social interactions, and also sometimes deal with really big important political and military situations. They’re capable members of the crew, but they still fuck around with their buddies like real people do. I find it refreshing, compelling and endearing. I love the Orville 90% of the time.
I love it, the gags and semi-coherent plot in the first season pulled me in and I was hooked after that. I understand Seth’s humour can put some people off, that’s fine too but I think the show is strong enough and has matured enough to stand side by side with modern Trek and hold its own.
I still remember the bit where they had given a small piece of the blobby alien to that other one with the iron stomach. Gold.
It’s the best Star Trek show since Next Generation.
Kidding. I actually liked DS9 and Voyager
It’s on par though.
Yeah. The Orville absolutely deserves to stand shoulder to shoulder with a typical season of licensed Star Trek.
And that’s a pretty big deal, because aside from the show we won’t mention right now*, most Star Trek is pretty great.
*I’m just trying to start an argument between DS9, Enterprise and Discovery fans. Sorry.
This was basically the way I would describe the show.
I thought it was a parody at first, and it certainly treated itself as such in the beginning, but in the later seasons, it took itself more seriously, and I found it a more “realistic” take than star trek.
Star trek is awesome, don’t get me wrong. But the captains were kind of “perfect”, basically. Captain Mercer and his crew are all flawed people, in their own way. They make poor decisions sometimes, out of selfishness, pride, or whatever, and it’s fun to see them deal with the consequences.
Interesting. I always thought “perfect” characters like Jean Luc Picard where supposed to symbolize the advanced social evolution of humanity in the Star Trek universe. The inherent believe in evolutionary humanism is one of the main reasons I fell in love with Star Trek.
It’s why I love snw’s current pilot, I think starfleet is very racist, she might be the only actual human being accepted into starfleet, well, her and pike of course, and maybe the current immortal engineer.
I generally dislike the typial Mc Farlane type of comedy and I don´t think it fit´s particularly well in a Star Trek like show. Beside that, The Orville is a really good show, way better than Nu Trek (with the exception of SNW). When watching The Orville I feel like I can tell that the people who made it actually like and even respect classic Star Trek - which is the opposite of how I felt when trying to watch DIS and PIC.
I seriously feel SNW was Star Trek seeing how much people loved what the Orville did and doing it themselves.
I seriously feel SNW was Star Trek seeing how much people loved what
the Orvilleclassic Star Trek did and doing it themselves.FTFY
