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𝓘 𝓽𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓴 𝓬𝓪𝓹𝓲𝓽𝓪𝓵 𝓛 𝓲𝓼 𝓹𝓻𝓸𝓫𝓪𝓫𝓵𝔂 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓶𝓸𝓼𝓽 𝓯𝓾𝓷 𝓽𝓸 𝔀𝓻𝓲𝓽𝓮, 𝓽𝓱𝓸𝓾𝓰𝓱 𝓵𝓸𝔀𝓮𝓻𝓬𝓪𝓼𝓮 𝓺 𝓲𝓼 𝓪𝓵𝓼𝓸 𝓪 𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓸𝓷𝓰 𝓬𝓸𝓷𝓽𝓮𝓷𝓭𝓮𝓻.
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My cursive looks like a 10yr old wrote it, which is about the last time I actually wrote in cursive
I hate that they still teach it in schools. It means that for about 3-4 years per child, you get birthday and Christmas cards and you can’t read them.
It’s not noticeably faster and it’s certainly not neater. Just let it die.
Also writing speed doesn’t really matter anymore. Most situations where writing speed used to matter now needs typing speed instead.
I don’t buy this. I take notes on paper all the time, what am I going to have my laptop or phone in my face during every conversation?
What are you doing that having a pen and paper is normal but your phone or laptop isn’t?
I work in habitat restoration. I spend a lot of time outdoors, but most of my notes are just from my normal meetings. If I’m on my phone taking notes, I have to stare down at my phone and it takes me out of the meeting. I have ADHD and find my phone very distracting. But I can write quick notes on paper without having my head down.
I also just prefer physical notes. I have tried everything under the sun with digital note-taking, but nothing beats the flexibility and reliability of pen and paper. I have a great binder-based note-organization system.
I am honestly shocked that so many people NEVER use pen and paper notes? It is very normal in my field.
I find this fascinating. Props to you, of course.
Speaking for myself, my handwriting is far from elegant. In university (40+ years ago) I developed a sort of mashup of cursive and printing, since speed of transcription was fairly typical.
I adore the look of top tier handwriting. I even got into calligraphy when I was in HS.
Since my career has taken me deep into the world of tech, I’ve become twitchy at the possibility of a single point of failure, ie, one copy of something is equivalent to no copies of something, 2 copies of something is equivalent to 1 copy, etc.
As such, I’ll take casual note (eg, my to do list for my ADHD) using Google Keep, so that I can access it and update it from my phone or one of my laptops. For the grocery list, it’s Alexa. For professional notes, it’s a combination of Obsidian and Syncthing.
Speaking of Obsidian, I first learned of it while watching a video of anPhD student describing her massive manual note taking system, following a particular system manually, and then discovering Obsidian.
In your case, yeah, I see no reason to change. It works for you.
Yeah, paper note-taking does mean scanning right away when you’re back in the office. But the reality of field work is that you might lose the data if you took them on a tablet, too. I’ve worked jobs where there was no service until we get into the office, so the data just lives on the device until it is uploaded.
I am using Obsidian for a particular project, I’m using it to organize a history research project I’m working on! I think it’s a cool tool, I would just go crazy if I had everything organized on my computer. I end up hyperfocusing more on the organizing system itself, or get distracted on the computer/phone… and the physical notes I can make cute and aesthetic much more easily which makes me feel warmly about my to-dos. I tried to do a digital PDF notebook with hyperlinks and everything, but I just felt like I was spending too much time fiddling around with on my note-taking and organization.
Paper stationary is a lot more popular in Germany and Japan, oddly enough. A lot of jetpens products come from those countries … the most sought after notebooks are Japanese and Germans have great pens.
You just prefer it, a notebook won’t survive a 50ft fall into water, an iPad with an OtterBox might, even if it didn’t my notes will, I just grab another iPad.
No, you’re just wrong. A notebook does fine in the rain and water, there are specially designed notebooks for this.
I’m not taking notes on any of the idiot conversations I get roped into every day
If you are- have fun, enjoy your pen and paper
Different lines of work. I have to remember a lot of things people tell me 🤷🏻
I’m 37 and can barely read cursive, I hate it. I learned it in primary school, never used it, and here I am.
I play DnD and one of our campaigns got so confusing so our DM made a huuuuge flow chart explaining the story, consequences of our actions, where we can go next, etc. It’s all in fucking cursive and I couldn’t read any of it so I continue to be confused :)
My kids got just enough cursive in school to learn how to sign their names. Definitely not 3-4 years of it. Maybe 3-4 weeks at the most.
It’s definitely not neater for lefties like me who smear our script as we write.
However, OCR input tech on phones and tablets are better at reading cursive than block print. Curiously, my grandson’s curriculum in the Solano County School District dropped cursive writing and then picked itmup again.
It is noticabley faster if you write with a fountain pen, or any pen with flowy ink.
Possibly, but I know exactly one person who writes with a fountain pen.
I remember wanting one in school, but the value was mostly in being able to flick ink at the other kids.
I never recovered, and I don’t really know how to write print. So i either write cursive at the speed of around one letter per second, produce unreadable chicken scratching, or write very ugly all caps print because that’s simple enough and actually readable and faster than trying to produce legible cursive.
I also don’t think I handwrite more than 100 words a year though so it’s ok
In my country all the work you do in Spanish class has to be in cursive from your very youth to the year you graduate.
Lowercase m, n, u, v, and w are confusing as shit when placed next to or near each other.
Try Cyrillic cursive.
So Donald Trump has been signing his name in Russian this whole time? It all makes sense now!
Good god.
this feels like a shitpost and i wont fully believe it until - i dunno when.
No, that’s true. However, putting lines under e.g. the ш makes it a bit more readable.
Can ia solve this problem?
Cyrilic cursive uses dashes in the same way Latin uses dots. Try writing "minimum’ without them, and you’ll get the same results.
This is the first I’m hearing about dashes. What do you mean?
You know how и and п have the same shape, but п has a dash on top? You can put the dash on the bottom to easily differentiate и and ш from м and л.
I remember coming across a similar comment chain, and someone brought out cursive Hanzi, and everyone lost their minds.
Especially when people are writing ‘garlands’.
Vacuum is another good one, or anniversary.
You got me writing ‘vacuum’ and ‘anniversary’ in cursive, and got so conscious about how I write it that my speed crawled to a stop and my handwriting got even worse than what I started with, lol!
In casual writing, I separate out
v,wand other letters that are trickier to write in full cursive. Same goes witht,i,jso that I can do the crosses and dots before moving on.All those seems to have done the job of making my cursive a bit easier to read. All hell breaks loose when I need to write really fast though.
EDIT: stupid formatting, lol!
Irreverence.
I tried writing them so that I can post this. I might have failed in making them both cursive and legible, lol!
That very last line is my attempt at writing at speed. 😅
I didn’t mean the word, but the way some people write the letters ‘m’ and ‘n’ with the bows downwards, so that the look really similar to ‘w’ and ‘u’.
I recently found an old letter from my grandpa to my grandma during the war in Old German handwriting. A lot of spikes. Decided to learn to read it. Nice journey, I recommend. (Not necessarily old GERMAN handwriting, but, you now, old handwriting in your mother tongue).
Cursive is still the main form of writing in Europe, haven’t seen many people writing in print/block.
In the right bottom corner that’s clearly greek Xi
? It’s Z.
Or sometimes it’s yogh.
Or maybe zeta. Xi has a few extra bows.
Omitted is the capital Q that looks like a 2.
It’s there, almost all the way to the right, about 1/3 from the top.
That’s a different Q.
This Q really looks nearly identical to a 2. So, for many of us in 3rd grade, we wrote about the 2ueen who 2uestioned why ducks say 2uack. It was 2uite difficult.
the bane of Ramona Quimby
Teacher took that poor cat’s head right off
I wonder how much the placement of the uppercase L stems from Randall Munroe’s own memories of Far Side comics with the “Larson” signature.
Lowercase b should be lower on y axis
Honorable shoutout to words that have “br”
I never liked the lower case “r” and “s.” They’re so awkward to make.
They’re all easy to read when you know cursive.
insert language is easy to read when you know insert language
I think part of the problem lies in how cursive directly derived from print letters so shit like S, Z, and r makes you wonder who came up with this.
Exactly. Randall Munroe turns 40 before the end of this year.
Scraping the bottom of the barrel, I guess?
Edit: In the 80s, children were seriously evaluated for learning disabilty if they could not read cursive, as it was considered a developmental necessity. They didn’t joke around with this back then.
little b should be in the low left corner
Serious question for people younger than me: How did you come up with a signature if you didn’t learn cursive?
just write your name really fast without lifting the pen
Wait your signature is supposed to just be your name in cursive? But then wouldn’t that defeat the point? I thought in the olden days it was supposed to be like a proof that you were the right person since you knew how your signature was written.
Anyways, for my signature I just kinda designed it. It was ages ago so I forgot my process, but it was deliberate and I remember making a whole bunch of sketches before finding one I liked. And since then I’ve incrementally improved it.
Although cursive has a unified design, everyone writes cursive a little differently. The idea is that cursive is designed to write whole words in a single stroke. The concept of a secure signature in cursive is that the more work a single stroke is, the more uniquely a person writes it.
That is to say, even though you may have the same name as someone else, it’s extremely unlikely that a person can copy your nuances precisely enough to forge your signature on the fly. It isn’t a perfect system, but it’s easy enough to verify a signature that people could do it before technology was around to aid that process.
That concept is also why they say the actual design of your signature is less important than the consistency of doing it the same every time.
There was some guy years and years ago who tried to see how ridiculous he could make his signature and have a store still accept it. As I recall he got to the point of drawing pictures on the receipt. Eventually he tried to buy something expensive like a TV for +1000 bucks before someone finally said something.
Of course now that search engines suck I’m having trouble finding the writeup he did.
At one time illiterate people could just mark an X. The security of a signature isn’t really in it’s uniqueness or it’s relationship with your name. Security of a signature is down to the fact that you could to prison for forgery if you fake someone else’s signature.
It’s gets so much worse when you use russian cursive.
how bad is russian doctor handwriting?
Not russian doctor handwriting, Russian cursive
That cant be real ahah thats impossible to decipher
Oh it’s real, and just to rub salt in a wound, here’s a doctor using russian cursive on an entire form, or at the very least some kind of student, courtesy of Wikipedia
Try Google lens. It can read it somehow.
nothing in this life feels better than writing a cursive f. i put my whole arm into it. those things are the highlights of anything i write
I am very proud of my F/f, too. I do them beautifully because it is the first letter of my name.
