Unfortunately, the headline fails a fact check: the study was not about transgender individuals, but rather on people who sometimes express dissatisfaction with their sex for a variety of reasons entirely unrelated to being transgender.
Yeah, the author is making that up though, drawing conclusion based on their own biases. The question is not “do you feel dissatisfied with your sex”. It’s asking, directly, about the surveyed’s desire to be the opposite sex. Which is literally what it means to be transgender.
The second quote is just semantic straw-grasping “the study didn’t use the literal words ‘gender confused’!”
Please. It is completely fair to describe “desire to be the opposite sex” as gender confusion, especially in years of childhood where one’s sense of self is in active development.
Being transgender is a constant and persistent condition. Even for genderfluid people the “fluidity” needs to be repeatable. If a girl/woman suffering from cramps during her period thinks “I wish I was a boy/man so that I didn’t need to suffer through this every month”, she doesn’t become trans because of it.
And “gender confusion” isn’t a fair description. It’s basically saying “they are wrong about what they’re feeling”. And you’re not a telepath to know that
The question is not “do you feel dissatisfied with your sex”. It’s asking, directly, about the surveyed’s desire to be the opposite sex. Which is literally what it means to be transgender.
So gender dysphoria is not a thing then? You don’t even have a base understanding of what you’re talking about.
The second quote is just semantic straw-grasping “the study didn’t use the literal words ‘gender confused’!”
It’s important because wanting to be the opposite sex “sometimes to often” is an entirely different beast from being gender confused.
Please. It is completely fair to describe “desire to be the opposite sex” as gender confusion, especially in years of childhood where one’s sense of self is in active development.
Is it also fair to lump gender confusion with being transgender, and then make the conclusion that “being trans is just a phase”?
Notice how every step of your argument relies on saying that two distinct things are “fair to describe” as being the same. Eventually the results of a survey that asks “have you ever wanted to be the opposite sex” proves that transgenderism is a phase.
If a child said they wanted to be the opposite sex, and then as an adult said they did not, it doesn’t mean they ever were transgender, or changed back from being transgender. It’s an entirely different thing altogether.
Gender dysphoria is part and parcel of a “desire to be the opposite sex”. Seems pretty obvious that such a desire can’t manifest without dysphoria about one’s sex being present.
So…I have no idea why you would think I was claiming gender dysphoria isn’t a thing. It obviously is.
It’s important because wanting to be the opposite sex “sometimes to often” is an entirely different beast from being gender confused. Seems you don’t even have a base understanding of what I’m talking about, lol.
You’re doing the same semantic straw-grasping. Confusion is uncertainty. Until/unless that desire to be the opposite sex becomes either “always” or “never”, that is, objectively, a state of confusion.
Is it also fair to lump gender confusion with being transgender, and then make the conclusion that “being trans is just a phase”?
Well, if there is anything to criticize the original article (the one this linked article is talking about, I mean) for, it’s the fact that those children who have those feelings, and then no longer do in adulthood, should be considered never to have been trans in the first place.
It would have been more accurate for it to say instead “most children who experience the desire to be the opposite sex are not actually trans”.
Do you disagree with this?
If a child said they wanted to be the opposite sex, and then as an adult said they did not, it doesn’t mean they ever were transgender, or changed back from being transgender. It’s an entirely different thing altogether.
It seems we are in fact in agreement on this, after all, as I basically wrote the exact same thing before I got to this part of your comment.
Yeah, the author is making that up though, drawing conclusion based on their own biases. The question is not “do you feel dissatisfied with your sex”. It’s asking, directly, about the surveyed’s desire to be the opposite sex. Which is literally what it means to be transgender.
The second quote is just semantic straw-grasping “the study didn’t use the literal words ‘gender confused’!”
Please. It is completely fair to describe “desire to be the opposite sex” as gender confusion, especially in years of childhood where one’s sense of self is in active development.
Being transgender is a constant and persistent condition. Even for genderfluid people the “fluidity” needs to be repeatable. If a girl/woman suffering from cramps during her period thinks “I wish I was a boy/man so that I didn’t need to suffer through this every month”, she doesn’t become trans because of it.
And “gender confusion” isn’t a fair description. It’s basically saying “they are wrong about what they’re feeling”. And you’re not a telepath to know that
So gender dysphoria is not a thing then? You don’t even have a base understanding of what you’re talking about.
It’s important because wanting to be the opposite sex “sometimes to often” is an entirely different beast from being gender confused.
Is it also fair to lump gender confusion with being transgender, and then make the conclusion that “being trans is just a phase”?
Notice how every step of your argument relies on saying that two distinct things are “fair to describe” as being the same. Eventually the results of a survey that asks “have you ever wanted to be the opposite sex” proves that transgenderism is a phase.
If a child said they wanted to be the opposite sex, and then as an adult said they did not, it doesn’t mean they ever were transgender, or changed back from being transgender. It’s an entirely different thing altogether.
Gender dysphoria is part and parcel of a “desire to be the opposite sex”. Seems pretty obvious that such a desire can’t manifest without dysphoria about one’s sex being present.
So…I have no idea why you would think I was claiming gender dysphoria isn’t a thing. It obviously is.
You’re doing the same semantic straw-grasping. Confusion is uncertainty. Until/unless that desire to be the opposite sex becomes either “always” or “never”, that is, objectively, a state of confusion.
Well, if there is anything to criticize the original article (the one this linked article is talking about, I mean) for, it’s the fact that those children who have those feelings, and then no longer do in adulthood, should be considered never to have been trans in the first place.
It would have been more accurate for it to say instead “most children who experience the desire to be the opposite sex are not actually trans”.
Do you disagree with this?
It seems we are in fact in agreement on this, after all, as I basically wrote the exact same thing before I got to this part of your comment.