• RobbieGM@discuss.tchncs.de
    6·
    1 year ago

    This isn’t exactly a helpful response. The two movements are different in myriad ways, and I see no reason to believe that the failure or success, however that may be defined, of one would cause the other to have the same fate.

    • Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de
      7·
      1 year ago

      Mostly because the roots of every discrimination are basically the same, and if you focus on only one aspect of it, you will not succeed no matter how much progress you think you’re making. For example, both racism and misogyny is based on the old entitlement, on the old white men’s unearned sense of superiority, and if you don’t target that, you will never have an egalitarian society, even if you make them pretend that they aren’t overtly misogynistic anymore. It’s like TERFs teaming up with white supremacists to harass trans people, only to be incredibly surprised that white supremacists hate women too.

      • Paulemeister@feddit.de
        1·
        1 year ago

        Kinda sounds like in that example, the reason for humans that are not white old men to be racist is those white old men. Sorry if I’m being ignorant here, but I always though racism is common among every demographic. I though it’s more of a thing that’s imprinted onto you and just not challenged because you don’t interact with enough people you have prejudices against. I don’t want to misrepresent your point, but from what I see, a racist black woman can exist without the white man to be the reason for that

        • Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de
          5·
          1 year ago

          And if we were living in the black matriarchy, we would be having a different conversation. But we live in the white patriarchy, so we are having this one.
          But regardless, sexism, racism, homophobia, and every other types of descrimination have basically the same root, so there is no real way to get rid of one without getting rid of the rest.

          • Paulemeister@feddit.de
            0·
            1 year ago

            Sorry, I’m just not that informed on that subject, but what is the same root? The old white men? So if we locked all of them up we would be living in a utopia?

            • MemeCollector@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
              3·
              1 year ago

              Lmfao, and I get called obtuse… How about do even the most superficial research in to racism and sexism and why they exist before you demand other people do the work for you, that you promptly disregard to continue pushing your own deliberate misunderstanding of the subject you clearly care so little about ? Sealions be sealioning, while those who can spot you miles away and refuse to feed your bullshit get called obtuse…

            • MemeCollector@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
              1·
              1 year ago

              Lmfao, of course *you * think you shouldn’t have to. But you do! You asked why, to explain it to you, I need to understand what you’re struggling with.

              You refusing to say the quiet part out loud just confirms to me what I knew from that first comment - that you’re not genuinely interested, and that I have better things to waste my time on than on providing an education to someone who clearly doesn’t want it.

              • RobbieGM@discuss.tchncs.de
                3·
                1 year ago

                If I make a meme which asserts that a giant Blahaj in the sky controls the American government, and you call it into question, is the burden of proof on you to explain what it is about the meme you don’t understand, or on me to show you why I believe it’s true?

                To put it in less sarcastic terms, the answer is that what I’m struggling with is the whole thing.

                • fkn@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  You have put very little to no effort into your why question, and it was very effective at making the op mad, so if your goal was trolling I suppose it was effective.

                  If you are serious, then you don’t have a good grasp of intersectionality and it isn’t ops responsibility to teach you… Particularly when you are aggressive about your lack of knowledge being a good place to argue from.

                  • RobbieGM@discuss.tchncs.de
                    1·
                    1 year ago

                    I am not trolling, but was hoping for somebody, OP or otherwise, to explain why they believe the message of the meme to be true, so that I or other lemmings could learn a bit more about the subject. I’m glad that the community has stepped in to share their knowledge. My intent was not to be aggressive with my comparison to Russell’s teapot Blahaj, if that’s what led you to your judgement of my attitude, but to show OP that the burden of proof was on them to show why the two movements are as interdependent as they claim.

            • MemeCollector@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
              1·
              1 year ago

              Oh, you’re not even the same person lol

              If you want to know my feelings feel free to scroll through my magazine.

              Until then, get out of the way and let the person I was replying to explain to me why they see an issue with this post.