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Having the public lose trust in the safety of flying is absolutely not something you want to happen. This could have devastating effects and I think enough is enough and the government needs to step in and take over running the airlines. It’s too important to leave gold hoarding dragons in charge of it.
Boeing is the only company actually trying to reach their net zero target. Once no Boeing plane are flying anymore that’s it, no more CO2 emissions
Silver lining: less flights booked means less emissions for the environment.
Iirc the increase in people driving instead of flying due to 911, lead to more accidents and deaths. :(
But more deaths leads to fewer emissions! A bright side!
Well, it doesn’t really contribute to less people that much considering the global birth rate, and also it removes a usable car from service that will at this moment be replaced using materials and processes that are likely not too great and probably loaded with an interface that sucks worse ass and breaks more often. Tricky all around.
That’s not great… I can only hope more people opt for trains instead this time.
If we had high speed rail, I’d absolutely love to take a train to just go places, but cross country trains in the US take absolutely forever. If you aren’t in a hurry, sure, great option, cheap, but doesn’t really work well for vacations or emergencies or whatever when you have very limited time.
For example, Chicago to Seattle takes 46 hours by train but 30 hours by car. Even with stops for food, gas, and bathroom, even staying somewhere for the night, you aren’t adding 16 hours on.
https://www.amtrak.com/empire-builder-train
We really need to invest more in high speed rail… like everywhere here. Until then, unfortunately, I doubt people will shift that way overall.
I think the problem is that this will likely lead to more driving instead of flying.
As someone who lives on an island, lol. But still a good point assuming a North American car centric viewpoint. I’ll be resorting to wind power, jetski, breath stroke, or airbus. Perhaps other options including rail ( yes we have it on Islands too ) may look competitive again.
They don’t have boats on your island? Sounds like a lack of conviction to me.
Kidding, of course.
Maybe even a return to train travel.
I hope that prompts more funding into Amtrak if people do opt for that!
That’s not a silver lining at all. Jets are actually very fuel efficient compared to driving when they’re full of passengers.
One less plane in the air could potentially mean 300+ more cars on the road. Not a great outcome.
Having the public lose trust in the safety of flying is something I absolutely want to happen. This will have devastating effects on carbon emissions, and push more people (and governments) towards trains.
Devastating is a bit of an exaggeration with it being responsible for a whooping 3% (at most) of emissions and arguably helping raise the albedo a bit with their contrails.
So it would help a bit, it wouldn’t be a game changer though (except if you live near an airport, sound is another pollution that’s often ignored).
I would rather we start using blimos what can we do towards that
What is that like really fancy long blimps
I mean, I don’t think that’s the way to go about it. Trains don’t take me to my family across the planet in 11 hours. I’d prefer to feel secure when flying there.
The government has already stepped in several times. If you’re in the mood to get mad, read up on the results of these interventions. Basically, Boeing was almost forced to deal with actual oversight, but was able to convince the government at the last minute that they could handle the oversight themselves internally (thanks to the wonderful process of lobbying of course)
The above comment means to nationalize the industry I think. That’s what it sounds like to me, and I agree it’d be a good step. In addition to safety, it’d stop them from their bullshit price gouging.
Why promote flying? Why not invest heavily in really fast ground transportation? Let’s build a bullet train between major hubs so people have a choice. If there’s a serious competitor to flying, Boeing will have to improve or they’ll lose a ton of business.
If the government takes over airlines or airplane manufacturing, we’ll just end up with lots of cronyism.
I say start with LA to SF and LA to LV. The current infra there sucks, and there’s a lot of worthwhile stops along the way. Then perhaps upgrade NYC to DC and related lines. It’ll be incredibly expensive to roll out, but should be very cheap to run and maintain.
Yeah, here we go. Trains are so much more pleasant. If they weren’t 10 times as slow I would never fly.
If they weren’t 10 times as slow I would never fly.
We have the tech for high speed rail, we just refused to build it because of lobbying (bribery), regulatory capture, and forced dependence on cars and planes.
To me at least the speed isn’t a problem. I’d much rather take a 2 day Amtrak (in sleeper) than an 8 hour plane.
The problem is the pricing, and also how much it fluctuates due to the extremely low capacity (one train a day…)
You gonna build a bullet train across the ocean?
No, planes are good for that. But there’s a ton of domestic travel that could easily be replaced with a decent rail network.
Which, given the context that planes are necessary, you continue to ignore the OP:
Having the public lose trust in the safety of flying is absolutely not something you want to happen.
And then your justification for not privatizing is cronyism. So the government contracts for air travel = bad, but the ones for your project are… good??
Your comment was really just a soap box to say air=bad, trains=good. I’m not going to argue trains are bad, but maybe make an honest argument for it.
I didn’t claim that at all. I claimed that competition on travel is good. If people don’t feel safe flying, there should be another, viable option, like trains. If enough people take trains instead of airplanes, airplanes will need to improve to get those customers back.
Trains have a lot of advantages vs airplanes, but I’m not arguing that. I’m arguing that we should have viable alternatives.
Come on, it only effects like 1/4 of the economy.
It’s not about trust in flying it’s about trust in Boeing. Slight difference.
- Normal people work on planes
- Government takes over
- Government hires contractors
- Contractors are normal people
- Profit
Welcome to this Boeing 737, thanks to government regulations each seat is fitted with a cop that will feel you up through the flight. If you don’t put your phone in airplane mode he or she will shoot you in the back 10 times only. 7 crashes per year is the legal limit and we already had 6 so you are all lucky!
“If it’s Boing, I’m not going”
Boing
When the plugdoor hinge consultant is asked how to spell Boeing
Took the “open-door policy” too literally.
“Boing” is the sound the door makes when hitting the ground.
I’m just waiting for the warcries of WWIII so I can buy Boeing stock as it bottoms out before daddy Warbucks saves them, and hopefully me! 🤞
I’m watching it since the door fell off, but it’s barely moving. It’s still in the price range it was in the last 4 years 🤷
What is a buy price for you?
“just a bit lower than right now”
Ah so that’s means if the current share price is at 169, then if we use binary to get some bits, we have 10101001.
If we take away one bit to be a bit lower it gives us 10101000 which is 168. So nearly there.
Hey they didn’t specify which bit, we can aim much lower
I’m in EU, so about 117€ or less. (that’s what i set my alert to)
They’re down like 50% since December…?
yes, but the door fell off while it was already halfway down that slope. in fact, days after the door fell off, it stopped falling until about march. so i assume this is within it’s normal mid term volatility. when you look at the last 3 or 4 years, it’s going up and down around the range it’s in now. so if you buy now, considering only it’s past developments, it’s completely uncertain where it will go.
I’m just hoping fares go down so I can get s cheap holiday. As long as it cradhea on the way home I’m fine with it
I’ve had a lot of trouble searching for a concrete answer to this, but does anyone know what percentage of commercial jets in the US are made by Boeing? I know it’s a duopoly between them and Airbus, but to what extent is Boeing’s domination?
Unsubstantiated guess, but based on a cursory search for flights on Delta, it seems like 90% are Boeing.
2 years old, but should be somewhat indicative. A lot of em seem to be 50/50 Airbus/Boeing (except Southwest, yikes), but anecdotally I’ve flown 4 times and it’s always been a Boeing.
edit: hey don’t downvote the guy I’m replying to. if you follow the steps he did you’ll come to the same conclusion. despite the makeup of their fleet, the majority of flights being offered (at least within the US) are on boeings.
It makes the most sense for a company to spread their risk amongst as many suppliers as possible if their entire business relies on the performance of those suppliers.
Thinking about it, IT hardware and networking doesn’t ever seem to do this. Maybe that’s because it’s lots of items working together to create a system instead of multiple discrete systems.
It also makes sense for a company to reduce the number of different makes and models of aircraft so that a pilot can move from one to another without too much retraining, so they can reduce the size of spare parts inventories, service more aircraft at fewer locations, stuff like that.
And using different vendors is absolutely a thing in IT systems: https://www.telcion.com/blog/security-vendors-is-it-better-to-have-one-or-multiple
There’s a website of publicly available info on all the fleets, but you have to search through plane by plane and I ain’t got that kind of time
We’ve got a turd in the punch bowl
