Man I’m a progressive and even I can tell this is propaganda.
Also, missed a bunch of presidents? Bush 1 after Reagan. Lyndon B, Nixon, Ford and CARTER between Kennedy and Reagan.
I obviously agree with the overall message (that “both sides” is and always has been bullshit) but c’mon man.
Edit: like, you could put the actual campaign goals and summarized impacts and then it would be a real infographic. Like “passed tax cuts for top _% of income earning Americans” “repealed gun laws”. It’s still cherry picking and biased but that’s what moves something like this out of the realm of propaganda and into I dunno…something more like biased news? Bias isn’t inherently bad, obviously when you’re trying to have an argument you have a side and an agenda.
political memes are propaganda. all of them. always have been always will.
there are no exceptions, only examples which oppress and exploit more or less.
something this sublemmy needs to get into its head.
What were William Harrison’s goals for office? 🤔
You know I’m not sure if you’re joking but I’m genuinely curious now.
Edit: I looked it up and most of what I could find was, “Let’s finish killing all the Indians”. 😬
This a meme, not an infographic.
You’re right. It’s not an infographic. It’s also not a meme.
It’s a political cartoon. Definition from Brittanica: " a drawing (often including caricature) made for the purpose of conveying editorial commentary on politics, politicians, and current events. "
It’s… a political meme. I wonder what sub this is…
This feels more like boomer humour than a meme.
Man I’m a progressive and even I can tell this is propaganda.
Aw man, you saw right through it!
I was told you progressives were smart but you caught this propaganda in no time! And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling progressives!!
Ok how else would you word that I’m on the political “side” of the meme and still call it out for being kinda shitty by misrepresenting the ‘other side’ in a way that undermines the credibility of the message?
I did not expect this to blow up and made an offhand criticism that used a cliche literary device before heading out for the day. I apologize for getting tripped up when information is misleading or inaccurate, it’s a condition, and obviously I am long overdue at the gulag
Y’all take stuff way too seriously on the Internet.
Edit: like, you could put the actual campaign goals and summarized impacts and then it would be a real infographic.
The point of a meme is to be short and punchy, not academic.
This like watching the trope of “Republicans are evil, and Democrats can’t govern” play out in realtime.
I would like to see a more accurate one that actually just listed passed and proposed legislation for each one instead of just circlejerk fodder.
Well that wouldn’t really be a meme then but yeah this meme is kind of shit
Sure seems like bOtH SiDeZ have started blatantly lying for their propoganda, and are trying their damnedest to villify the other by pretending that they are perfect. If you’re demanding unquestioning loyalty, you’re a fascist regardless of your label.
So glad Obama gave us universal healthcare… Oh wait.
We all know this is bullshit right? Neither the Republicans or the Democrats give a shit about anything else then making rich people more money. I’m sorry to break it to you but the Democrats aren’t your friends. I know they pretended to be but they’re not. They are just as much your enemy as the Republicans. 😞
We know and the point of this post is that voting for one of them and grinding down the other is a clear message of what people want. Rich dude making his friends richer should have been a no-brainer but people keep using slimy tactics like the one you are using to distract the people from that fact.
The rich people who pay them both through lobbyists know what the people actually want. We don’t need to vote more clearly. 🙃
I’m not using a slimy tactic. This is my opinion. Sorry you think that not agreeing with you is slimy.
I’m a socialist. The Republican and Democratic parties are Siamese twins. They cannot survive without each other. They are completely dependent on the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils. Pretending like the Democrats actually cared about you or will do the things they say they will is an understandable coping mechanism for our situation but it’s not real. 🤷
One is moving the Overton window farther to the right. And it’s not like the other one is monolithic. They are forces within trying to do good but they have to negotiate with the institutions in place.
Yep it’s a ratcheting effect. The Republicans moves us to the right and the Dems don’t move at all. Together they shift the Overton window to the right over time. If the Democrats weren’t in on it they would move the Overton window to the left when they come into power but they never seem to. Do you know why that is? It’s because they are paid by the same ultra rich people to achieve the same agendas. The rest of it is a spectacle to keep the powerless fighting amongst ourselves.
Also edit/add: love your user name.
I disagree. If the vote was clear towards the available left instead of a lack of votes, it would have an effect on the parties. It’s the thinking within the democrats that they need to appeal to the right in some way because they vote way more than the left right now.
I mean you’re free to disagree and think what you want, but it seems like the evidence points very clearly in the direction that the Dems have no intention of doing the things they say they will do.
You can believe it’s just a coincidence and that if you vote harder, they’ll do the things you want but history doesn’t seem to agree. 🤷
Regardless of how we get there, I hope we get to a future where the US can actually have good leftist policies. Good luck ✌️
Both sides are rich dudes making rich dudes richer…
There’s a big difference between stealing a pack of gum and literal nuclear secrets, don’t be obtuse.
We can agree they ignored some good Republicans did and very cleverly cut it off before Nixon creating the EPA, making dialysis ubiquitous when at the time a single treatment was ≈35k.
Which president reversed that?
Notice I didn’t mention any president. I mentioned a fact, don’t be obtuse.
Don’t deny reality.
No matter who, it is the wealthy who prosper from either party at the expense of everyone else.
One is negociating with what the people want, the other is lying and laughing while doing whatever they want.
At least you named yourself appropriately. Lazy. Otherwise, you would know that Obama attempted to provide a public option for healthcare. You do realize how politics works, right? You need a certain amount of votes and support in order to pass new legislation. If you don’t have enough votes on both sides of the aisle, then you change NOTHING. So yes, one side, the Democrats, tried to provide healthcare that had a public option, and the other side, the Republicans, fought tooth and nail to stop it.
And you blame Obama. <polite golf clap>
Personally attacking me right off the bat. Now that’s a sign of intelligence! /s
So my point is that the Democrats never do what they say they will do. So pointing out that there was an unsuccessful attempt to create a public option doesn’t really undermine my point. It just illustrates it for me. Because the fact remains Obama didn’t not bring universal healthcare to the USA. I wish he had. I also wish he would have closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised. But again the Democrats just say nice things they don’t do them.
I hate the Republicans too. I don’t attribute anything good to them. The I just don’t pretend that the Democrats actually care about working class Americans.
I don’t have a particular axe to grind with Obama but if you need help seeing him as a charismatic individual who works against us on behalf of capital I recommend you look into how he downplayed the lead poisoning in flint Michigan https://youtu.be/AjugN-nUHh8?si=w_PTMd1QXzS47rQW
If you need help seeing the Democrats as a whole as ruthless and against you i recommend you read about their pied Piper strategy https://theweek.com/speed-reads/1015258/the-pied-piper-strategy#:~:text=In Maryland%2C Pennsylvania%2C Colorado%2C,It also might backfire spectacularly.
Good luck rude stranger ✌️😎
Saving Democracy
Biden was responsible for removing the democratically elected prime minister in Pakistan because he refused to follow the geopolitical whims of the USA. His entire party is dead in the water with several MNAs assasinated, hundreds tortured, and thousands of supporters still in jail without trial or bail.
So respectfully, fuck off with this shitty propaganda meme.
“But but but vote blue no matter who!”
Give me a fuckin’ break.
How can Biden remove the PM of Pakistan?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
According to one study, the U.S. performed at least 81 overt and covert known interventions in foreign elections during the period 1946–2000.
It’s not a new thing.
Sure, but is there actual evidence Biden ousted the Pakistani PM?
This was reported months after Imran Khan’s accusation toward America and America’s denial of it.
A huge part of Clinton’s deficit reduction was eviscerating welfare with the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act. He also made a lot of money for rich people by repealing the Glass-Steagall Act, which directly let to the 2008 financial collapse. Also, Obamacare is not Universal Healthcare; Obama would have needed to keep the Public Option for it to be considered universal coverage. He also made a lot of money for rich people through TARP.
Also, the year gaps are a little disingenuous. Like, where are Nixon, or even Carter. Like, Carter is a good man at least.
Define “huge”
Why, would it be better if he gutted welfare for a small deficit reduction?
Okay, I get what you’re saying, but to call the Affordable Care Act “Universal Healthcare” is like calling one of those meal boxes from Taco Bell an all-you-can-eat buffet
People hate finding out the ACA is the Republican plan based on Romney’s healthcare system from MA.
Obama also campaigned that he would codify abortion into law, got elected, and then said it was not a priority. Then didn’t do anything to protect reproductive rights.
This image is complete propaganda.
Obama goal:
end FPTP so the 2000 election doesn’t happen again and againShort term easily reversible promisesBiden goal: what democracy, and how exactly
what democracy, and how exactly
A democracy where someone can lose the popular vote and still get elected president, and where a minority can hold both chambers of Congress, clearly
Ah yes, the old “it’s propaganda because it doesn’t include literally everything that has ever happened”.
Bush dodged that shoe like a fucking boss so how bad a president could he have been?!
Is it rosy colored? Sure. Does it still have a generally true premise? IMO yes.
Really stupid that we beat down the people on the left that demand a better candidate than the one who said he would be a one term president. A man who is further left than Nixon in most aspects. Yet, we have all these people who will die on the hill of Biden and we continue to ratchet to the right.
Biden never actually said that, but the fact that you think he did tells me all I need to know about how little you pay attention and what news sources you follow.
A better candidate would have been 2021-2023. You missed your window of THREE YEARS.
Okay, so let’s say Biden in 2024 for the sake of argument. Who’s the best candiate starting 2025? For the next President? Who. Name someone. Anyone.
The meme here overstates Biden, but that’s not where you were originally poking.
It’s totally fine to want a better candidate, but I don’t get down with cutting off your nose to spite your face: “Haha allowing authoritarianism and the erosion of democracy by non participation or durden voting will sure teach the Dems to pick a better candidate! Got em!”
Side note, I think you mean right of Nixon, yeah?
While I do agree with what you say, the post is about goals, not achievements. It’s an important distinction, and Obama did have universal healthcare as a goal.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/11/obama-administration-universal-healthcare-reform
Gee, I wonder WHO was taking actions to prevent that from coming out as universal healthcare. And I wonder WHICH SIDE of the aisle they were on.
Per usual - it was Biden, rushing to the aid of republicans to assist with their agenda. Which in this case was watering down their own healthcare proposal in order to remove the public option. In fact, he conceded this portion of the bill before any negotiations had even begun, as a “show of good faith” toward his Republican colleagues. Thanks Biden.
Clinton is one of the worst. The party went, can’t beat 'em, might as well join em.
Clinton essentially fulfilled some of the great Republican dreams of deregulation. See Glass-Stegall how he joined hands with Republicans. Which you can then fast forward to the banking and financial crisis that hit the world and screwed economies and brought austerity programs worldwide.
Dare ya to read up on all the congressional stock trading from not just Repubs but very much Dems as well.
The party went fully corporate with Clinton.
“The era of big government is over” from his 1996 state of the union.
Three strikes laws, too.
It’s not the 90s anymore. Right now the most pro-union president in history is running against a literal fascist.
I don’t disagree but it bears repeating. If you ignore the past, you never learn from it. You get repetition. Control of the narrative very much influences the present and therefore, the future.
The devastating illegal war in Iraq was not only costly to human life, but also to the social and economic damage to Iraq and the US afterwards. Ironically it helped create a more virulent terrorism in the region where there was none before. Falsified reports of terrorists in Iraq were a reason for the war mongers and war profiteers to go all out Dr. Strangelove and justify the war.
The financial crisis and the toll it took and its after effects weave right into life today. No one was charged, Bernie Madoff was a perfect fall guy for an entire financial and banking industry that fought against any changes to the way of doing things.
Obama’s admin basically helped enshrine “Too big to fail” and they all got away with the damage they wrought.
Never any repercussions or prosecutions or accountability for people bringing humans to the brink, to one abyss or another. Whether it was Reagan and Iran-Contra, or even Clinton being impeached for lying under oath and obstruction of justice. Had Clinton been impeached, perhaps Trump would never have risen. But when people see powerful people getting away with ‘it’, whatever it is, then that creates a future where someone like Trump will get away with ‘it’. You’ve undermined equal under the rule of law and that has blowback.
It’s why I especially hate this idea that you’re not allowed to criticize the party you vote for without being some bOtH siDeS strawman for people. The Democrats fucking suck too, and the mess we are currently in is just as much their fault as it is the Republicans and the American peoples fault. That the Dems have gone to attacking their own voters and trying to censure them is incredibly worrying.
Clinton wasn’t being impeached over a war, he was impeached for getting a blowjob in the Oval Office and lying about it afterwards. Note that during that impeachment thing he fired a bunch of cruise missiles into Sudan and Afghanistan. Obviously just trying to distract from the whole scandal, right? Except that strike was against a little known group called al Qaeda that led by some guy called Osama bin Laden. Had those strikes succeeded in taking out bin Laden it would have been considered completely about a distraction from a scandal.
At any rate, Clinton fired missiles at a bunch of different countries during his presidency. What exactly would have been the lesson had he been impeached for lying about a blowjob? The lesson would be kill whoever you want as long as you don’t have an extramarital affair, or at least don’t get caught! There are no lessons there about firing missiles at countries and the fact that one of those attacks could have prevented one of the biggest terrorist attacks in history, the lesson actually goes the opposite way. Maybe Kissinger was right, the attacks didn’t go far enough.
Sure Clinton probably should have faced more repercussions given he was in a position of power over Lewinsky. But we all know the impeachment had nothing to do with that. Newt Gingrich was doing the same kinds of things after all. It was all just about impeaching Clinton on anything they could find to impeach him on and it was purely political. Had Clinton been removed from power there still would have been air strikes against bin Laden and against Saddam Hussein.
The intent behind Clinton’s impeachment was 100% petty politics, there was no intent based on ethics, and what can we learn from it? Sexual harassment by a democrat will lead to scandal (but no real repercussions) while sexual harassment done by a Republican will not be a scandal and probably be rewarded by the base. But Clinton isn’t running in this election but the “grab 'em by the pussy” guy is. So if you think Clinton should have been removed from power, why are you ok with Trump (who’s at least as bad) regaining power?
But we all know the impeachment had nothing to do with that.
Yes, and now they’ll say it has nothing to do with this. I get the sense you’re implying it was just a blowjob, but then bring up “grab 'em by the pussy”. You are driving my point home for me. These things have an affect, they can ripple through time, having left a bad taste in enough people’s mouths and minds. That can then accumulate.
And I never said I was okay with Trump regaining power. That’s just you saying I said something I didn’t. Lastly, Kissinger was a pretty horrible human being that you seem to casually quote. A lot of blood on his hands. You think he killed enough human life in Vietnam and Cambodia?
Clinton repealled the Glass-Steagal act, which led to the 2008 crash, Obama’s unconditional bailouts of financial institutions and ultra-low interest rates and subsequent hyperfinancialization of the Economy, the current house prices bubbles, an explosion in inequality, and an even further collapse of social mobility in the US.
To say that he doubled-down on Reagan’s work is an underestimation.
Sure, it’s all a bit obscure for those who weren’t in Finance during the period around 2008, but that doesn’t make it any less so.
(And lets not forget his wife’s later “got paid million dollar for a speech to a room full of financiers” that helped her loose to none other than Donald Trump)
The idea that almost all those Democrats in that list didn’t do “More money for the rich” is hilarious.
Also as an European in a country with a National Health Service, celebrating Obama’s version of “Universal Healthcare” is “you’re fucking kidding me”-level insulting.
That stuff is some Narnia-level Eyes Hard Closed level of tribalist self-delusion.
That’s a giant load of revisionist history
The alternative explanation is that you’re a commited member of this specific political tribe and just have to defended those you see as your chiefs no matter what, even if lacking an actual argument.
This alternative explanation perfectly explains the absence of even a shred of an actual counter argument in your post.
Obama’s unconditional bailouts? You mean TARP? The thing signed by GW Bush 3 months before Obama’s inauguration? Seems like maybe you got some of them there obscurity issues you were going on about.
I was right in the middle of the Investment Banking Industry back at the time and paid close attention to all the details about how the entire thing was conducted and the kind of market interventions going on, rather than just eat up the high level bullshit fed to pre-convinced members of that specific political tribe who don’t know how the business works …
I actually had a pretty good opinion of Obama up until I saw who he put there conduction the bailouts, how they were conducted, how the pain was distributed, how the market was intervened in and which economic strata were saved with whose money.
TARP doesn’t even amount to a tip of an iceberg.
You left ‘exterminating Palestinians’ off that last one.
Hi, Palestinian American here, stop fetishizing our corpses as an excuse to let the guy who wants the genocide to come here too into office.
Badna N3aesh.
Edit: fuckin’ love the full mask off reply of
“The genocide of your people isn’t about your people!”
Whitest bougeyvik bullshit I have ever witnessed put to keyboard, PoC aren’t even allowed ownership of being genocided anymore if whitey doesn’t like how we decide to respond to it.
So you’re not gonna answer anymore huh? I can only assume that you’re a second generation immigrant and you’re not capable of actually speaking, let alone reading or writing in Arabic. If you’re indeed Palestinian go ask your parents what I wrote lmao. Machine translation is not gonna help you.
Assuming that YOU indeed are who you claim, let me tell you something. Unlike you I actually grew up in Palestine and I’m Palestinian first. You seem to be first of all American and this whole Palestine thing is more of a thing where in high school you bring some Hommos and celebrate diversity. But we’re not some illusion of your assumed identity. We are real people living real lives, and we’re dying and being oppressed right now. This is happening at the hands of a genocidal maniac armed and supported by the current president Joe Biden. Many of my relatives and friends have died, my family has been displaced and lives in diaspora.
Since you’re mainly American you won’t understand this, but if Biden isn’t willing to give up his die hard Zionist stance, we’re not gonna vote for him. If Trump wins the election and the US becomes a dictatorship, we will go somewhere else. We have left our lives behind and we’re prepared to do it again. And we’re not going to sacrifice ourselves because people like you are too afraid to give up their cushy American lifestyle.
Thanks for saying this. The comments are crazy. Like it would be more convenient if you could be genocided after the election, because you know this genocide is kind of in the way of some other domestic issues we’re having. So if you could just let Biden have this one until after the election that’d be great.I take back everything. This guy makes no sense and I completely misunderstood the comment. And I don’t think he speaks Arabic but claims to speak for Palestinian Americans. L take.
No I’m talking about you.
Those “other domestic issues” is the other guy wanting to bring the genocide here that you seem to have glossed over.
Palestinian corpses are not a set piece for white leftists to ignore their duty to mitigate harm in the US and still feel like they get to play ally at all the grammable marches and rallies.
You’ll not find one Palestinian American who thinks Biden is a good president right now, and you’ll just as soon find one who won’t look at you like a complete moron for thinking letting Trump win over it would be of any help to our cause in the slightest, in fact, they’d probably assume you were an Israeli agent agitating on Bibi’s behalf. Who else would side against keeping Trump out of office after he gave Israel a free hand on The West Bank, East Jerusalem, and The Golan Heights?
Edit: claims to be Arab, but swears they and all their totally Arabic family members are gonna let Trump win because “but Dems bad too!” When Trump brings the genocide here, Palestinians will remember all the help “Arabs” such as yourself showed us by laying the red carpet out for him.
Either you’re a liar or a knowing collaborator, either way you are no ally to Palestinians here in America, nor are you any help to them in the homeland.
Go ahead keeping on feeling righteous about letting fascism win to “punish” people you’ve probably ranted a hundred times now would rather lose than let a progressive win, meaning Trump winning is literally just giving them what they want in your backwards line of thinking…
وأنا عربي يا زلمه بعرفش مع مين بتحكي بس ولا حدا من حواليي بدو الترمب يفوز وبنفس الوقت ولا واحد منهم رح ينخب لبيدن
None of my relatives, Palestinian / Arab / muslim friends is gonna vote for Biden. And none of them want Trump to win. In the end the same people who are now refusing to vote for Biden aren‘t in America because that was always the dream. We ended up here because of the geopolitical games and the support of the settler colonial Zionist project that forced us to abandon our homes because there’s no future. And if my relatives who died from American and European ammunition could have lived if Biden had stopped them, I’m not gonna keep him in power.
It’s up to the DNC to act according to the will of their voters. Voting now for Biden will send exactly what message, that he can get away with facilitating a genocide and that our lives are unimportant compared to the bigger picture? And for the record, I don’t know anyone who’d vote for trump. People will simply stay at home or vote third party.
Everyone would have wanted a different outcome, but it’s just impossible to ask me or anyone to put a cross for the murderer of our families.
عفكرة ما حدا غير انا وإياك رح يقرأ ايش بتكتب وبالصراحة بتحكيلي انو مش مصدق انو أنا عربي بس بشوفكش ترد غير انو كتبت بدنا نعيش… طب ماشي عايشين بس كيف بتعيش أهل غزة… احنا مستقبلنا ولا بيدن ولا الترمب رح يتحسن علينا و وأولاد عمنا رح يخلصو شغلهم قبل ما أي حد عندو فرصة لغير اشي
احكيلي كمان مرة انو أنا ندل وجاسوس بس انت مقاومتك انك بتساعد لبيدين عن جد؟ مش عارف وينتا جيت على أمريكا ووينتا اخير مرة بقيت انت بالبلاد بس تحكيش عني أو عن اهلي أو صحابي إذا بدك تمص لإلي احتلنا وقتلنا ولو سمحت رد علي بالعربي إذا عروبتك على هالدرج انك بتعرف مين عربي ومين لا هيك عالسريع
It’s not just about you guys. If we let this slide then our laws about not supporting human rights violations are a dead letter. We have important domestic reasons for holding Biden’s feet to the fire.
Oh good, our laws about not supporting human rights violations will TOTALLY be stronger with Trump in office. Thanks.
They aren’t going to stay strong if we don’t defend them either though. They can become a dead letter under the Democrats too.
Yeah, forgive me for not seeing “Well, if we contribute to Biden’s defeat, MAYBE next time, after the Trumpist genocide here in the States is done and if we get a democracy again, we won’t tolerate genocide abroad, because THIS time there will be PRECIDENT for giving power to fascism if the politicians don’t listen to less than half of their own party on foreign policy!” as a particularly appealing line of reasoning.
Wait, you think Trump is going to commit genocide in the US? Lmao. That’s a new level even for Biden die hards.
Imagine hating LGBT people this much.
Y’all left off “enabling genocide” for Biden. should definitely be before saving democracy.
Edit: also, you can’t save something if it’s already destroyed.
Bush: More money for rich People, killing a bunch of brown people, try to be be even more of a global disaster as dear old dad (was close but too incompetent to do it)
Obama: More money for rich people, killing a bunch of brown people
Trump: More money for rich people, killing a bunch of brown people, destroying democracy, treason, try to be even more of a global disaster as Reagan (was close but too incompetent to do it, there’s always next time)
Biden: More money for rich people, killing a bunch of brown people
I would not say both sides are the same, but this a bullshit oversimplification. The dems are not some ray of sunshine who have only made this country better.
Wrong argument. No one is saying they are faultless. They are responding to the both sides argument. The ‘both sides’ argument is a relative argument and oversimplified comparisons they are still clearly the lesser evil. Yes they could improve but this isn’t the argument it’s answering to.
That what I was talking about. This post is a bad faith response to the both sides argument.
Don’t forget Obama’s work on a 2015 stimulus for the international Doctors without Borders program that allowed the construction of a brand new hospital in Kunduz, saving countless lives!
For more information, Google “2015 Kunduz Doctors without Borders”
To be fair, I don’t believe Trump’s goal is more money for rich people.
I believe it’s more money for himself but to do that he works towards more money for rich people because those rich people will in turn support and fund him further.
He’s too damn selfish to actually consider people, rich or not.
