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With the greenlight of Columbia President Minouche Shafik and her administration, NYPD has entered Hind Hall through the windows and begun to mass arrest students inside. Let this be remembered as Columbia and Shafik’s legacy: one of mobilizing the violence and terror of the state against their own students and faculty, solely to prevent an end to Columbia’s complicity in a genocide.
They took Occupy in the night, too. Coordinated strike on the remaining camps. It always comes down to the government’s monopoly on violence.
The Panthers were right. Revolutionaries should be armed.
You’re not wrong, but if they had been armed, there would be more dead people in this story.
Maybe. It’s also possible that the administration would have negotiated a settlement with the protestors to avoid escalation.
Seems like escalation is all that the higher ups know how to do these days.
If they ever descalate they may find themselves living in the system they created and whoa-ho do I kinda get why they’re so goddamn afraid of that. If only they hadn’t made it so awful down here.
The Panthers were right. Revolutionaries should be armed.
If I recall correctly, the tenet was that every movement needs a non-violent faction and a radicalized faction. The non-violent faction is the carrot to the radicalized faction’s stick. A comparison might be labor unions: unions are supposed to be a reasonable compromise to managers not getting dragged out of their houses and beaten to death in the middle of the night (or assassinated in other ways). See: Renault CEO Georges Besse.
Unfortunately, so many pro-citizen, pro-labor movements have been overrun by the “strictly non-violence!” mindset and thereby defanged. Additionally, we’re the labor, for fuck’s sake! We could absolutely hit every oligarch and politician right where it hurts, yet here we are.
Fuck this
You want to step in Biden and show us where you stand?
We know where the neoliberal stands. He stands on the side of power.
Yeah that guy is not stepping in until after the election.
… until after it’s too late. FTFY
Quiet! They’re gonna label you a trump supporter.
It is kind of weird to expect the President to step in here.
Who should then? Puppy murdering congresspeople? It’s a nationwide issue and the president is a nationwide authority. I think that it’s mostly his silence and support for Israel that sparked those protests
The national guard. Its May which means its open season on college students.
Four dead in Ohio…🎵
How is it weird? These people are specifically protesting some of the actions of the presidential administration. He needs to address it.
So then they should take their protest to the correct place? And not a private institution with nothing to do with presidential decisions.
If what you’re saying is true, then the protest is a huge “sir, this is a wendy’s.”
I like how when Biden is in office he doesn’t have the power to do anything other than eat toast and pass the time but apparently if Trump is president he has the power to end democracy as we know it.
Which is it?
Well, I’m not jumping in to support either of these ideas, but I will say that both of those could be true. Historically the democrats play by the rules, to their own demise, while republicans break every rule they think they can get away with.
Don’t be lulled into complacency by liberals going mad over trump. All of the “he’s a hitler, no HE’S the next hitler! Hey, that guy is hitler!” and the “these masks are fascism!” And the “socialized medicine is fascism!” has desensitized us to the actual calls of fascism.
But it’s still entirely plausible. Humans have gone through cycles of general peace and prosperity and the worldwide rise of authoritarian movements sprouting up simulataneously. I gotta refind the article I read about it years ago, but it’s clear to see it’s happening again. Germany, Poland, Italy, India, Philippines, China, Russia, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Spain, France…I’m forgetting a few others, but authoritarianism is on the rise worldwide. We’re incredibly vulnerable right now.
So it’s entirely possible that any US president could end democracy as we know it. Especially right now. But at the same time, the president doesn’t have power over the nypd. So…yeah.
Then again, Biden is complicit in genocide. There’s no getting around that. But unfortunately our choice is that, or roll the dice on letting someone who openly says they would be an authoritarian with a party behind them willing to break the system to stay in power. (And eill also more enthusiastically and ruthlessly participate in genocide. The US is in bed with Israel, not just one president. Have been for quite a while.) Yeah, shit sucks. But here we are.
Basically, it’s whoever packs the Supreme Court and Congress gets shit done.
That’s what makes Trump dangerous and why Dems haven’t gotten much done in three terms.
But I doubt it was an honest question anyway, so don’t bother replying.
It’s also kinda beside the point here. I don’t believe Biden has any intention of stopping violence against the protesters. Regardless of political ability, I don’t believe there’s political will considering his stance on Gaza/Israel.
This is how it always is with every president. While campaigning, they need to do everything under the sun and you need to elect them to do that, then once elected… oh snap, they just don’t have the power to do those things, ah shucks.
Which is it?
whichever conveniently deflects responsibility of bad actions and take responsibility of good ones.
I read the stats on how little America students care about the Gaza conflict but then you look at lemmy and every post is about these small protests.
The islamic/tankie propaganda teams are working hard on this.
The protesters should have been armed so that they could repel this.
I don’t know why this is downvoted. I guess people just have believed the neoliberal lie that peaceful protest accomplish anything. Things get accomplished when there’s violence. The reason you aren’t all locked onto an assembly line in a factory somewhere from age of 8 to 80 is because your ancestors had guns and fought. It wasn’t peaceful. There was a war we fought.
The protestors shouldn’t be breaking into buildings and barricading themselves in them.
You’re such a fucking hero. I wish we were all as brave as you.
At least I’m not committing criminal breaking and entering.
Yes, you’re a very good boy, and we’re all proud of you.
Look at you attempting to be all passive aggressive. We all know you try really hard behind your keyboard. Maybe one day you can even talk to a person without hiding your identity.
Pot, meet kettle.
I actually try having discussions here, despite the tons of misinformation that flows through lemmy. That person literally had nothing to contribute beyond passive aggressive comments.
oooh, no! criminal breaking and entering!
at least genocide is ok though, it aint a crime!
Were these people also committing genoside? I was only commenting about their illegal actions.
i dunno, you seem to be bothered with their protesting against it.
Well I was specifically bothered about the illegal activities they’re using to protest, but sure, twist my words to fit your narrative.
NYPD going in through the windows is much better than a bunch of protestors breaking down the doors and locking themselves in there.
This protest is not a thing that matters. No one will remember this in a year, probably less than that. Because you can’t just break random rules as a protest. You have to break the specific rule that is unjust. This building is not the center of Israeli government or the IDF.
If these students went downtown to the Holocaust museum and held up signs saying “Gaza is a modern Holocaust”, that would work better. They could protest outside the Israeli Consulate too. It would also be more efficient to just call a bunch of representatives and senators every day. Get 100 students to spend one hour making calls per day and you can tie up the Congressional switchboard. Do that for a month and you will get a response.
These students are mainly protesting to feel good about themselves. They are taking the easiest and coolest route. Actually organizing for change is tougher than just occupying your own school. It’s your school, you aren’t taking it from anyone.
These protests have a list of specific demands, especially a demand to divest Columbia’s money from arms manufacturers supplying the genocide. Do not infantilize this. It is an organized maneuver with a specific goal.
Columbia was founded by slavery money. Most Ivy League schools are. They weren’t clean before and divesting from arms manufacturers is not going to make them clean.
Did these students care about that when they enrolled? No, they were all excited to go to a “good school” to get a high paying job. They don’t care about the investments. This is just a thing to do.
it’s almost like a bunch of minors went somewhere and then learned things that changed their opinions somehow
Good point. But the real question is, are they going to give the money back?
Wait, so students aren’t allowed to protest what their Universities do because they enrolled in those Universities, because of slavery? Do you realize how stupid you sound?
A bunch of white guilt rich kids who can afford to get bailed out… I’m sorry, these people aren’t noble. No sympathy
Hahahahahahahaha
Ahhhhh…
Get drone striked
I have been trying to verbalise this for a while. Thank you for this comment, it’s a perfect explanation and precisely encapsulates how I feel about these protests.
I agree with their intention, but they’re not actually helping their cause.
I have been trying to verbalise this for a while.
Sometimes it’s better to remain silent and let people think you are a fool than to speak your mind and remove all doubt.
You don’t seem to understand the nuance of the situation; are you interpreting my comment as meaning that I don’t support Palestine?
I think you may need to re-read the initial comment that I replied to.
Says a random person on the internet that did fuckall for Palestine in their entire life.
If I’m a random stranger, how do you know what I’ve done or not done?
I know because of what you type on the internet, it lays bare who you really are. That’s why it’s so easy for me to know you did fuckall for Palestine.
Lmao “I’m 14 and this is deep”
Try reading it again
Found the genocide supporter
Try reading it again
Breaking and entering has never been a form of protest that’s acceptable. At this point the protest has just devolved into doing everything they can to get arrested like that.
No they just want to be cool and have control over some part of their lives. Like we all do. I completely understand but it’s not an effective way to protest.
Breaking and entering can easily be a good form of protest but it matters where you break into. The Jewish dude who broke into an American Nazi meeting in Madison Square Garden was a great protester.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_Nazi_rally_at_Madison_Square_Garden
No they just want to be cool and have control over some part of their lives.
They’re protesting about someone else’s lives, not their own. Last I checked this isn’t Vietnam where those same students are being conscripted to fight a war.
Breaking and entering can easily be a good form of protest but it matters where you break into.
Breaking into a random building is not a good form of protest. I would even argue your example isn’t great either, nor really a protest.