Brazil is Americas??

Edit: But, yes, same deal. The racialized element of the forced labor system is what I’m referring to. The social concept of race is modern. sustained, large scale, intercontinental?migrations are required. And it was this forced labor system, mostly in the tropics… depending how you measure…

The uniquely cruel aspect to chattel slavery in the continental US was the breeding programs.
Incidentally

I really can’t tell where you fall in any of this, but the 13th amendment is the stated legal justification for the slavery in the United States, right now.

You know what, fuck it. Good point, edited for clarity.

Damn , reading some of these comments is like fanfiction about myself and it’s kind of wild actually. I am everyone until you go and check D:

Yeah, that sounds interesting.

Frankly, . Yeah. “War is war” is the phrase i have heard most often. It makes me wonder about what exactly the second invasion of Iraq looked like on the ground.

That was the fucking point of all this, right ? Like ‘how dare the poors slip through some material change in conditions through gov power’. ‘We’ll show them’ and then they did all of this

“But but. The brown people were dirty and out”

OK so this is like the central issue. So I think it’s really important that we discuss it and do our best to try and work out some definitions. From my research so far every indication seems to be that the reason why we don’t have solid definitions to go on yet is because you know history isn’t done yet, we’re still working out what exactly words mean and how to use them . And you know consensus is the only arbiter we have there so it needs to be discussed.

Yeah that’s an important thing I have to address. Why do people think that authoritarianism means someone being mean to them?

Edit: I shouldn’t be that sour about it. Definitions are super important part and I’ve seen this coming for months., But there does seem to be like a rather substantive difference between like political science definitions of authoritarianism versus like general use public definitions. Like the general public seems to be really about like on an individual level, and I just don’t think that’s super helpful when you’re talking about governmental structure. there’s a little bit of overlap, but that’s not what the focus of most of the academic writing on the subject is so what pops up on Google when you just google “authoritarian“ is not the definition I’m operating off of, no.

Edit2: But yeah, oh yeah yeah yeah, the US being both a democracy and massively a fan of authoritarian governance is exactly what the memes about and you know trying to talk to anybody about that really seems to be like half of people take it as such a given like your baby for not having gotten over that when you were a kid and the other half like consider it an assault against the soul of America

thats completely fair. its future historians who get to have settled terms and that only comes from us in the present doing our best to hash it out. By my assessments, the etymology and definition of authoritarian does support the idea that the US heavily involves autocratic elements in its governance, and can be described as authoritarian. I specifically avoid calling the US fascist because that’s an argument that mostly makes sense to people outside the US, and my core audience is within the imperial core. At the end of the day, I did just need to pick a term that seemed to fit best and be effective at communicating my argument, and authoritarianism is what ive settled on for the foreseeable future. Though, i would say there’s a lot of overlap in our thoughts on the subject. The core argument this meme is trying to reference is the idea that because segregation and chattel slavery were race based apartheid style systems, and that is a subsection of authoritarianism, then for most of US history the republic has operated as part of an authoritarian system. ==> so why does saying it out loud massively violate american taboos about its own history and relationship as a state to white supremacy? chiefly, that it was founded on it, and operated on it. until like … within living memory. thats the official version of events. bizarre. but its not bizarre. its exactly how language and societies react when states do this.

That is the definition of individual authoritarianism not institutional authoritarianism. Basically just the first half of the definition. Whereas the aspect I focus on is exactly what you were getting to at the end there. That general definition is from The Authoritarian Personality and is not accepted as definitive in any academic studies of authoritarianism in governance. So I suppose what I am doing here is operating off of an academic definition that is not nearly as commonly used as I was assuming. Tho -side note- it is quite interesting to think about how this public?definition has been used to make the argument that the entire moral and psychological basis of conservatism as a whole, is individual authoritarianism.

Let me explain… …I don’t know how to explain that when a law enforcement agency says that it is only interested in investigating your organization for crimes. that is. not something that you should take as reassuring. It outlines a level of trust in the establishments of imperial power that ,. supporters of this line of thought here would be okay with showing cops around the clubhouse, because you’re confident they won’t decide that what you are doing here is a crime. It is an avenue for the state to label its own political opponents as [legal to oppress with state power]s. All of the nonsense in this thread of is providing cover for that and that’s the end of it for me.

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AND ANOTHER THING

normal average americans that fly the confederate flag are white supremists. They are supporting domestic terrorism. like that even gets at all what i mean. this whole thing exists to make the ‘inherent racial hierarchy’ that this country was founded on and operated under for its entire dam history up until … … . . . . wHen?EXACtly?? just palatable enough that I get looked at like Im the crazy one for bringing up how the pattern of suppressing communist and anarchist political factions in the united states is the f*CkInG God**MN **kING POInT of thE FBI fUK

OK. I don’t agree about what reality is with you enough to have a conversation.

I have included the link to the source document directly in the post. It was accessible through the source link at the bottom at any time. -moving past that- my favorite part of the source document is how Anarchists are the only ones to get an actual “tactics” section. Whereas, the militas get a list of crimes

pfft

lol

no they didnt its two pages down the document i am going to cry and throw a fit

a completely understandable assumption. That ones on me. the paragraph right above where this screenshot cuts off actually super pinky swears that they won’t keep track of people just for using them.

https://vault.fbi.gov/domestic-terrorism-symbols-guide/domestic-terrorism-symbols-guide-part-01/view

i mean absolutely no personal disrespect to any of you, but I find myself genuinely coming away with the opinion that this might be the laziest community I have ever been responsible for helping build.

and this is an offshoot of a subreddit

__ The source. of the screenshot. was in . the post. i linked. as source. WHy does this comment have 7 upvotes and no downvOTEs? __

I am not implying dick. edit-They say it right there

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hem to paraphrase:

‘this document is about terrorism’ - ‘specifically anarchists’

they ‘hate authority’ and ‘do crimes’

‘we dont generally care about any of this, but reserve the right to’

‘and courts say thats the end of it’

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I know I dont have the final say on anything. that would be weird.

but

This is just an identification guide for symbols.

you are right and I invite you to say it louder.

Yes. The title is a reference to that. Someone pointed it out on the tumblr post and its like the horror realization. I know how to swim because I got lessons in a public pool in Pittsburgh and there was a camp in michigan coming from that area too that the church helped pay for, but after that: Swim team, boy scouts, private pool, private pool, private swimming club, private pool. … Yeah. That would be why black people can’t swim.