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You can probably drop the “lol” part.
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I’m a millennial, i do it all the time lol
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I thought “lol” was short for “Just wanted to let you know that I’m a millennial so you can better understand where I’m coming from with this comment.”
Does it have a different meaning?
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Try saying “col” then
I felt weird typing that col
In this case, it’s more like “loltac.”
ROFC
Project 2025 is the culmination of 50 years ‘lesser evil’ voting. Instead of accepting no evil, democrats tolerated right wing politics and its policies as long as it had a D next to its name.
Marginalized communities have been living with versions of P2025 all their lives. This only scares white liberals because its something that finally targets them. Democrats demanded we ignore our oppressors and vote for them and didnt have our backs. Now we wont have theirs for the mess liberals created.
I can’t argue with any of that. What I’m stuck on is just what the fuck to do now and what comes next.
Can you elaborate on your thoughts? I honestly can’t see a way out except for eating another shit sandwich and hoping that incrementalism can save us once sanity returns. But fuck, we’re cooked, sanity is gone for good so I’m out of ideas and the alternative only makes it worse for everyone. I’m at a point where I’m happy to vote against my best interests but that’s kinda what I feel I’ve been doing all this time.
Incrementalism is what got us here. We were led to believe that incremental baby steps is what was necessary for progress. They use those incremental baby steps as small, little, minute, undetectable steps to the right. They compartmentalized the rightward shift so all we saw were small puzzle pieces and couldn’t piece them together to show the larger overall picture. And when people started to challenge their views, they would throw the marginalized communities in front of them to defend their actions, ’ you challenging our systems might hurt this black person, it might throw this lgbtq+ person under the bus,’ etc. and I use that tactic to silence opposition. It’s the same tactic that Republicans use when they scream ‘save the children’
If incrementalism actually worked, we wouldn’t be having the same discussions about wages and housing and healthcare and education that we were having 50 60 70 years ago.
Regarding P2025 we are at the
Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
Martin Niemöller’s poem First They Came
So right, I get all that, but I’m not terribly interested in retribution for what got us here, I’m interested in tangible ways to go forward. I think all our choices are shit right now so what, just don’t vote so that I can sniff my own farts for being above it all?
I’m at the point where I agree…ish. I do believe that there is a lot of deliberate actions by the power structure of both parties but I see some actual humanity and thought coming from one side, pure spite and malice from the other and complete and utter insanity from the comedy option. Problem is the humanity in the party has gotten nothing done (not for their lack of trying) and has no control so I am have officially given up on them.
So I’m left with zero options. Great fucking country we have here that I’m utterly trapped within.
I think it would help to imagine this as if we’ve already arrived at the peak of fascism - what would you be doing then? Likely mutual aid, political (probably undergroud) organizing, civil disobedience, ect. This is what they mean when anarchists say ‘you can’t vote fascism away’, and this is what leftists mean when they say voting in this election doesn’t really address the crisis.
The hard work of resisting fascism happens everywhere but the ballot box.
The hard work of resisting fascism happens everywhere but the ballot box.
You realize that doing all of that hard work would be much harder under Trump than Biden right?
Even if you’re the most communist person ever, it makes sense to vote for Biden, he atleast tolerates your existence, and that’ll make all praxis easier than under Mr. “Root out the communist vermin” Trump
Biden doesn’t tolerate our existence any more than Trump, they are equally hostile to everyone that challenges their power
That’s not the point: voting is unrelated to the work of uprooting fascism. If you spend all your energy getting Biden elected, you are still no closer to solving the problem.
There is some credence to using that as leverage to get liberals (whose only concern seems to be getting their guy elected) to engage the actual work of eliminating fascism, but that’s not what I was advocating here.
America is already there. Been there since citizens united.
Open thoughts… But I feel like it’s dumb to equate every “fascist” to Hitler and use Hitler and WW2 imagery. I feel like it dumbs things down.
If you believe Trump or whoever is a fascist their actions and their own image is enough. People aren’t going to think differently because X is portrayed as Hitler. It seems like gimmicky propaganda to do that. Anyone you would ever want on “your side” would understand this. As result people disregard both “sides”. Do you want people to switch to your side because of social political marketing or because they are actually cognitive enough to have a real understanding of life and reality? Imo it seems like a way to get useless people to join your side out of emotion. In turn dumbing down your side to emotionally reactive people. Marketing doesn’t get you a base that cares, it gets you a following.
I suppose that’s fine in war if you want cannon fodder to use… But that also sounds like something an anti fascist wouldn’t want.
In modern politics it’s like it’s an art to build the biggest base of useless people to abuse for cannon fodder.
You are right, but many Americans probably wouldn’t get it if you used Stalin. For better or worse, Hitler is the face of fascism; Stalin the face of communism. They were both fascists, as were Mussolini, and Stalin.
It’s just short-hand imagery; everybody knows what you mean. Pinochet was a fascist dictator, but he was also a brutal sociopath, so he’s confusing, even if people recognized him.
Fascism is strictly a right wing ideology
Caught a sound bite of trump rambling again.
Did Hitler sound that dumb in his rallies?
As a German, his speeches are not dumb or incoherent as Trump’s, but they are really that good either. Basically constantly screaming and a very weird cadence.
Messagewise, it’s pretty close, though. MAGA and Deutschland über alles are not that different. Actually, making Germany as great as it’s been before Versailles was kind of the entire point of the Nazi party (and of course The Jews™ were responsible for all of that ).
In his time, Hitler was ridiculed for his weird looks and barely coherent speeches. It was thought he would be ineffectual and easily controlled by more seasoned politicians when he was allowed to become cancellor (he only got about 35 percent of the popular vote but managed to build a conservative coalition). To underestimate his and his party’s plan to dismantle democracy, which was plainly laid out in Mein Kampf, was a grave mistake of course. More info here: https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/germany-1933-democracy-dictatorship/
Hitler didn’t make it to 80. It’d be nice if trump took that note
As evil as Hitler was… he did at least one good thing for the world.
So far, I’m not so sure Trump has done that much.
(Hitler offed himself.)
it is already here
Has been for decades
Fascism has always been a feature of America and part of this country’s core. The Trump admin is a real threat. It doesn’t help the Dems fighting against fascist are perfectly fine with standing by and working with fascists with bipartisan efforts that only go in the right-wing direction.
No. Not same sides. Don’t. The problem is the fascists. Not the naivete of civil servants trying to fund the VA and Medicare.
If you stand beside fascists and are fine with state violence and genocide, you aren’t some type of pillar of democracy. The reason the GOP is so strong no matter what they do, Dems will still address them as their friends and colleagues. While the GOP fights dirty and stays committed to long term goals in lock step.
What are you doing each day when you’re not on your keyboard? The party represents the constituents. People are naive to the zero sum game stakes at hand. So they vote themselves into DNC positions. They’re just people. Like you and me.
All people can do is support each other through mutual aid and education and local elections. The long track record of just pick the lesser evil and vote harder isn’t working. Not much people can do.
Anyone have a non-Paywall link?
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American fascism got the power since like 50 years ago, I don’t know why the west propaganda machine says it’s something new.
We’ve seen it, us who live outside of America and have had the pleasure of being invaded. Must be nice to use everyone else’s land as battlefields and never having to fight one at home, and ignoring the atrocities and fascism committed by your armies on foreign soil.
WWI and WW2 were absolutely necessary actions to contain others aggression. The Korean war is the only reason that the entirety of Korea isn’t under an insane dictatorship. Afghanistan attacked the US (stupidly enough) Iraq v1 was to contain a war of aggression.
Vietnam and Iraq v2 were wrong.
and fascism committed by your armies on foreign soil.
How does one commit a fascism?
Where are you?
Throw a dart at a map.
