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It really is hard to put Republican assholery on a scale of “worst in our lifetime”.
GWB got us in multiple multiple decade long wars.
Mitt Romney or Dick Cheney might have turned the great recession into another great depression.
Trump nearly got us into another full blown recession, got rid of Roe V Wade, tried to overturn Democracy, and nearly got us into a war with Iran.
Trump this time around will try to overturn Democracy again, might bring back the full blown recession we almost had, will let Russia steamroll Ukraine, will support Israel harder than any US president, etc. etc.
But it’s fearmongering, and you AREN’T going to scare THESE ubermensch with your dastardly threats of “Literally what the opposition has promised to do”! That’s what WEAK people fall for.
Or something like that.
You forgot the grandfather of assholery, Ronald Regan. 90 % of the fuckery today can be linked back to that piece of shit.
I saaaay we stop being nice and start working together. These two things are the big problems of the left.
Mitt Romney would not have let Russia invade Ukraine. He’s been a staunch enemy of Putin’s aggression.
It would have been simple. Put US troops on the border in the hundreds of thousands. Russia doesn’t invade.
Oh, I completely agree. Republicans have consistently gotten worse. At the same time, so has literally every Democrat since Carter. Every Democratic president since Clinton has moved to the right. For example: Obamacare? More like exactly what Reagan proposed to “fix” the insurance industry. And people forget that Biden was the “moderate” to pull that crazy “leftist Obama” back towards the “center”. And now Biden is called a crazy leftist. So now we have 2 right-wing choices. One that thinks capitalism fixes everything, supports genocide because it’s profitable, and says “but we like queer people (as long as they have money and don’t ask for anything)”. The other is a literal fascist. The fact is that either party is good for big business and bad for everyone else.
It’s a bit reductionist to boil Obama down to the shit implementation of Obamacare that the GOP killed in the womb. I encourage you to read on it. TL;DR, it was gonna be pretty good, but the GOP threw a fit that it was going to be a win for Dems and tanked it. You’re also leaving out the fact that Obama expanded gay rights and got talking about climate change on a policy level. Should both of those things happened sooner? Yes, but that’s letting perfect be the enemy of good.
Biden isn’t amazing and honestly, I don’t care for him much. However, I doubt he letting the genocide in Gaza happen for profits. With the Dem’s own party, Israel is a divisive issue and I’m sure he’s having to tread carefully so it doesn’t shoot in the foot later because politicians are scummy petty people
The ACA that wasn’t all it could have been was STILL a huge improvement and completely moved the battle lines on healthcare.
One of the best uses of this meme I’ve seen so far
It’s like all those “heat records” that supposedly “proves” that climate is “changing”.
Every single month they keep getting broken, sheesh!
It looks like a conspiracy if you ask me - all those “scientists” with their… “facts”! Everyone saying the same thing all the time - it sure sounds like they are pushing an agenda to me! What if I don’t want to be educated though - did they ever stop to think about that, hrm!?
Like, are we to believe it’s purely coincidence that the scientists are making these claims AT THE SAME TIME as the graphs are showing heat levels rising? seems like they’re just cashing in on a good grift! We all know how scientists are about money making schemes.
All that “I want to eat food”, “I want food for my family”, “that’s not enough food I want more food” nonsense! Why don’t they just eat the climate like Zeus intended?
I thought Zeus would just fuck the climate. And anything in it.
No. Well… only if it was female, so I guess roughly half of it? :-P
waiting for climate-chan rule34
How dare you provide “scientific” proofs? What do you think this is, a logical discussion?? I need someone to yell the facts at me, that way they’ll sink in more better
Okay then… how’s this?
It must be a cyber Greta /s 🤣
What am I supposed to do about the climate anyways? I conserve as much as possible and a billionaire uses up my lifetime of CO2 in a day. Stop telling me i have the power to fix it cause I don’t
Be the change you want to see in the world
You can’t control others, but you can control your own life. So do what you can.
Vote. Tell people you vote for that reach out to you that this is one of your concerns and should be one of theirs. Otherwise, we all just do the best we can.
More like an hour (or two, but less than an entire day).
Tbf, a single jet like Taylor Swift’s flies “only” every other day (170 flights out of 365 days in 2022). So her jet might not produce as much as one person’s entire year - it could be a little bit less (like 1-6 months?:-P).
I have not researched it but I still wonder about the facts there: like if each plane can hold 20 people, and takes >12 people each trip (I’m totally pulling all these numbers entirely out of my ass btw), plus there are security considerations for her to appear in public and be mobbed, where innocents could be hurt e.g. an unnoticed child trampled to death - just how cost-effective vs. not is it, really?
Unfortunately we will almost certainly never know, bc our for-profit media will only allow stories that make us angry and depressed. Boring stories like “Boeing flights do not fall from the sky >99.9% of the time” don’t make the headlines or even the back pages.
I don’t know if Taylor Swift is right to fly by private jet, and I don’t know that she’s not, I’m saying we’ll never know, nor can we trust our media to tell us, nor our leaders to care (except in the sense of accepting bribes to specifically not care - probably not even from her directly but other business people like Musk and Bezos who want to fly their planes, and may be better at hiding how many trips they take whereas she could be more naive about her own usage).
You don’t have the power to fix it, no matter what they say. So be free and do as you please.:-) How we all choose to be is not about reaching any kind of goal, these days.
And they aren’t wrong. Every current election is the most important of your life. Not just presidential. If you choose not to participate intelligently. And loose access or rights as a result. You will likely never get them back.
No, no, this time they’re going to SHOW the mean ol’ democrats by voting third party. When the opposition, consisting of literal fascists who tried an autocoup the last time they were in power, ensures they never have a say again, it won’t bother them a single goddamn bit.
What Republicans realized decades ago is this is fundamentally true. Every election is the most important election. They just leave off the “…so far” that should be at the end of the statement.
I think before Reagan (or maybe Gingrich) people could reasonably see some elections as less consequential than others. But the Republicans realized that it’s all about building. Build a bench of charismatic, intelligent, possibly sociopathic individuals. Get them in local government and then state government and then federal government. Tell your base voters that you’re building something that will one day pay off.
Just keep building, just keep building, and one day you have a juggernaut. Especially if your opponents didn’t build to match.
Democrats spent the 80s and 90s assuming the status was quo. They spent the last half of the 90s and the 00s living in the fantasy that what people liked about Clinton was the fiscal conservatism without the religion, so they should be more conservative.
Only very recently have progressives started breaking through.
Now we have to build.
Luckily the Republicans have hitched their wagon to a human wrecking ball. That might let Democrats catch up sooner than they otherwise would.
Democrats spent the 80s and 90s assuming the status was quo.
This was the Golden Age for liberalism. It was the age after the bountiful 80’s, but before the communication age started shining light into all the dark corners of our society. People could live in blissful ignorance of societal problems as the just fed and fed from a growing housing bubble.
I mean, you totally forgot how 9/11 changed our ENTIRE outlook on the world.
Changed what exactly? The way US ppl see the world? Because the government is exactly the same as ever with the rest of the world.
Edit: Why ppl are downvoting me, you forgot Vietnam? Korea? Gulf? Fuck off boot lickers.
archcomrade
What’s the chances this isn’t a tankie?
He isn’t defending Genocide Joe’s warcrimes so pretty low.
Biden said it’s not a genocide so calling him Genocide Joe is factually wrong…
I mean this one it is actually true.
Just because they’ve said this 3 elections in a row doesn’t mean it hasn’t been true each time.
The problem is that fascism keeps gaining territory, and eventually it will be the last election you get to vote in.
Is Midwest.Social an offshoot of Hexbear or something?
Careful. I’ve heard that’s still in the splash zone
Midwest.social is the only whole instance that I suspect of being operated at least partly by shill / propaganda accounts. Maybe that’s a weird outlandish accusation to make, but some of the admins are on the “no voting for Biden amirite” train which is unusual. And it’s not the holistic “we are out of our gourds on all geopolitical issues” way that Hexbear users are. Midwest.social is like radical left people but a large part of the left radical criticism seems to be directed only at the Democrats. And, the whole “We are Midwest, we are from Ohio, look, it says [Ohio] right after my user name so you know I’m from the Midwest” thing is weird. There are plenty of regional servers but none of them give me the same “yo wtf is up with that” vibe like midwest.social does.
IDK. Maybe that sounds uncompelling, like an extraordinary claim with very sketchy evidence. But I looked around it a bit and it seemed just sort of off in a way that’s hard now for me to articulate beyond saying that it seemed weird.
I don’t think it’s outlandish; that’s exactly what I’ve noticed from every single post coming from the instance or it’s users and why it feels like Hexbear. Just constant, obnoxious hot takes about throwing away their vote because “both sides bad” instead of constant obnoxious hot takes about communist countries.
I joined it because “Midwest”. To be frank though. Local posts are in the 10s a day. I never see them unless i select local only. I’ve seen a fair bit more left position represented than would seem representative of the Midwest. Not that it’s a bad thing. There is an instance pinned post about the administration standing with the protesters. Which again isn’t specifically a bad thing. (I’ll look at the discourse inside later) I see screechy hyperbolic posts about “genocide Joe” getting generally down voted. So I can’t make any real comments about any strong vibe. But no. Not all of us are coping with severe head trauma like archcomrade.
I think it’s safe to say he may just be loud, obnoxious, and perceived as being more representative than they are. Due to how inactive the rest of us seem to be.
There are dozens of us!
I would say my experience on midwest.social aligns with Lemmy’s population as a whole - generally left of (US) center, with a few further left folks. Most of the content is either midwest-specific news or LOTR memes, probably makes sense that the only content that gets widely upvoted by Lemmy at large is the left-leaning memes.
I haven’t seen anything nearly as extreme as the posts/comments from hexbear/grad/ml, but I wouldn’t be surprised if users from those instances have accounts on multiple instances to push propaganda.
Yeah I don’t look at local either, I’m just from the Midwest.
Thank you for the kind words.
I’ve seen a fair bit more left position represented than would seem representative of the Midwest.
For what it’s worth, that was my expectation when I joined midwest.social. I wasn’t trying to find one that aligned with my politics - I was just wanted to be around people local to me - but I came to really enjoy the politics on m.social regardless and because of that i’ve become connected to more people in my community in minneapolis that share my politics than I ever would have thought to go looking for here.
I obviously don’t think I’m coping with anything like head trauma, but I think lemmy.world has become a little obstinate around electoralism and hostile toward dissenting opinions and is deserving of a little agitation. For what it’s worth; mostly my conversations on lemmy.world end up being constructive If i let the conversation go for long enough and let the sharp pass by unacknowledged. Some present in this thread notwithstanding.
I don’t think I ever would have noticed the selective reporting and exposure in a liberal echo-chamber if it weren’t for the diversity of opinions I get with being in m.social. Even with topics and views people generally agree on, posts that sound like critique of established electoral party lines get treated with suspicion in .world, and I would be lying if I didn’t take a little satisfaction in the speculation around my covert allegiances.
Dude I absolutely loved when I first visited Lemmy and found a variety of political views including some I thought were dead wrong. It’s like the real internet. And yes that actually includes places like slrpnk, as an example oriented around anarchism or “anti-electoralism” – the difference being that it seems like they like anarchism first, and have for a while, and not voting for Joe Biden is yes a natural outgrowth of that now that this election is happening, but they still spend most of their time talking about the anarchism, not almost all of it on the Joe Biden part. They’re not deeply and suspiciously constantly and consistently interested in talking to you about specifically bad things about Joe Biden… they seem like they’re being sincere about what they believe, as opposed to just trying to bring up “anti-electoralism” as a convenient excuse to take up time and bandwidth talking bad about voting (and about voting for Joe Biden specifically). Which they then do extremely consistently, and extremely constantly, and recast people who are disagreeing with them as if they were saying something else that isn’t what they’re saying.
It’s like the difference between someone who likes some type of drink I don’t like, but it’s fine and we can hang out, versus someone at the club who’s loudly talking about one particular brand of drink and offering it to people and doesn’t seem all that interested in any type of conversation that doesn’t revolve around consuming that particular type of drink. Like yeah buddy. I have no ill will for you but I would prefer that you weren’t at my table if that’s what’s up.
I find this more than a little ironic because this is exactly the way i feel about every critique of Biden being met with “but Trump is so much worse.” Maybe the feeling is different, because for you it seems to be just a few people at the party but for me it’s every table saying the same thing.
I don’t even feel that strongly about not voting for Biden, I just feel irate about every bit of bad publicity about him being treated as an opportunity to reinforce the voting pattern of everyone present.
Like, I get it, Trump is a fucking monster, but I personally find aspects of Biden intolerable and at least Biden has a slightly greater chance of being moved by critique from within the base than Trump. If people want to respond to every critique with 20 layers of sarcasm, then I’m going to keep mocking them for how ridiculous I think they sound.
every critique of Biden being met with “but Trump is so much worse.”
Look at this thing I found on the front page – it’s Biden doing something that’s both dumb and evil, and the top comment is cursing at him about it and calling him a dickhead.
Look at this thing where I said “at this rate, all the Palestinians will be dead before he works his way slowly and gradually around to the idea that maybe he’ll have to do more than a sternly worded phone call with Netanyahu in order for the killing to stop.” and got a bunch of upvotes.
I’ll only speak for myself, but the thing that causes me to get sarcastic is when I write that and then someone replies back to me and says “I know it’s hard to comprehend that there’s people that aren’t Trumpers/Republican that don’t support genocide Joe.” It’s like he’s reading from a script, and just sort of blindly throwing out stuff that’s on his script. Honestly, something like that – where someone seems like they’re not even trying to connect what they’re saying with reality, even of the messages (let along the outside world) is more what leads me to say “Yeah okay man, you’re full of shit.”
Look around you, man. Everyone is fine with criticizing Joe Biden. I don’t think everyone’s really gonna see it exactly the same way that you do or I do or whatever, but trying to claim that you’re being browbeaten for criticizing Joe Biden, when you are literally surrounded by people who themselves give criticism to Joe Biden, is going to make people think you are lying. Surely you can see that?
Agreed
It’s not outlandish to say they are extreme Leftists - their sidebar says it straight up:
A lemmy server for, but not limited to, leftists in the Midwest USA
They perhaps could have made it even more clear by naming themselves “Midwest.Leftists” instead of Midwest.Social:-).
OP’s name is also Hella sus.
I’m just from the Midwest, don’t compare me to Hexbear. I don’t even know much about it, just that they are always angry.
Does the domain name really matter that much?
Oh no! Not what a yiffit user thinks!
Anyway…
I know I’ll get downvotes to hell for saying this, but I think RFK would make a great president.
I know he’s said some shit before. I’m aware of the ivermectin solution against COVID and some other bad stuff he said. But I think he based these ideas on the wrong information and wrong advice that he received. But his heart is at the right place.
He’s done some great work at defending the environment and defending workers’ rights and fight against corporations, which are things he genuinely cares about very much.
I think with the proper counsel that white horse experts can provide him, he can be a very good president.
RFK is a skid mark on the Kennedy name. He knowingly snake-oiled ivermectin, counter to the data and extreme majority of medical professsionals. Don’t pretend it was an “oopsie- he was told the wrong thing!” That’s super disingenuous.
He’s not even a good snake oil salesman. If you honestly believe the shit you used to defend him, I have some tickets to heaven I can get you for a killer discount lmao
Ok for sure the ivermectin thing wasn’t smart. But it was the only alternative to the vaccine being talked about at the time. While that was a mistake, he does have a good point about pharmaceutical companies pushing out the COVID vaccines very quickly and making as killing in profits. Many people have reported serious permanent side effect to those vaccines. Maybe there should’ve been a bit more quality assurance or more tests to ensure there wouldn’t be any problems. Then again, it was in a period where the vaccine was absolutely necessary and as soon as possible. So… Yeah. We didn’t really have a choice.
Ok for sure the ivermectin thing wasn’t smart. But it was the only alternative to the vaccine being talked about at the time.
It was not. It was a flight of utter fancy. It was a fiction.
While that was a mistake, he does have a good point about pharmaceutical companies pushing out the COVID vaccines very quickly and making as killing in profits.
He does not. No one got rich off of the COVID-19 vaccines. In fact, vaccines in general are not a cash cow for the pharmaceutical industry. I’m not saying the industry is populated by good people—lol nope—but if you follow the money it doesn’t go far because there isn’t much of it. They get the good PR from selling vaccines, and then they make money from ED pills and such.
Many people have reported serious permanent side effect to those vaccines.
No they haven’t. And don’t try to toss VAERS data at me; it’ll just prove that you don’t know what that database is. In reality the side effects from the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are almost miraculously low—somewhat lower than the industry standard in terms of occurrences, and much lower than the industry standard in terms of severity. Most importantly, though, they were dramatically lower than just catching the disease.
Maybe there should’ve been a bit more quality assurance or more tests to ensure there wouldn’t be any problems.
mRNA vaccines have been in development since 1993. The pharmaceutical industry wasn’t pushing it because traditional vaccines were good enough (read: cheaper) between 1993-2020, but the R&D was consistent for that time.
Then again, it was in a period where the vaccine was absolutely necessary and as soon as possible. So… Yeah. We didn’t really have a choice.
We definitely did need the speed of mRNA in vitro transcription vaccines at the height of the pandemic. But it’s not like this was a “second-best” option, or a case where we were settling for something.
I implore you, get your medical information from reliable sources.
Ok. You make very good arguments. And I do believe that you are correct. But just one thing though, yes there has been reports of people having some bad permanent side effects after taking the COVID vaccine, but as you mentioned, r those were indeed very low in occurrences. I’ve read somewhere that it was lower than the occurrence of bad permanent side effects in contraceptive pills for women for example.
You said “many.” That is definitively false.
You are perpetuating dangerous lies in an attempt to defend a horrible liar. You need to REALLY consider why the fuck you do that. Educate yourself before spewing that nonsense.
Honestly don’t even need to point out the liar part
Just point out that he has brain damage from a worm literally eating his brain. He could have made all the right choices and that still makes him a horrible person to put in charge just from a mental acuity angle
One of the main jobs of the president is assigning work to other people. The president isn’t supposed to be the best economist, the best strategist, the top scientist, or the best trade planner. They’re supposed to make decisions based on the input of the people they selected for the position.
My biggest concern with Bernie (who is someone I absolutely admire and who I’ve supported for decades) is that he is total crap at picking staff and then he stays loyal to them.
There’s a tendency in western political philosophy that basically says that the king himself is a good person, but he has bad advisors. This is done for ego-saving, as people would rather criticize advisors than the king.
RFK is truly unhinged. He’s a conspiracy theorist. He’s the weird uncle you don’t invite to Thanksgiving. I wouldn’t let him house sit for me. If the guy can’t even win over his family members, I don’t think he’s promising. He’s being funded to run as a spoiler by the opposition, and I expect his support to plummet as soon as he’s actually put in front of a mic and gets national attention. Remember when Herman Cain was the Republican front runner until people figured out more about him? I think this is basically that.
I’d actually really like to see how he would fare in a debate. I’d really like to hear what he has to say.
I think the media is giving him a bad rap on purpose because American media is so biased and is completely bought by the Democrats or Republicans.
Also, for the record, I’m not American or living in America. So I’m from the outside looking in. I’ve read some of the stuff RFK said and it doesn’t sound like he’s unhinged or a conspiracy theorist. Except for the death of JFK and his father and how that was the CIA. But, I wouldn’t even be surprised if that was true. America’s so fucked up.
Also, for the record, I’m not American or living in America.
Makes sense, because you definitely sound like someone trying to undermine US interests by stumping for this guy
To your last point, we always said that at least GWB had “good advisors” but that just made him easier to manipulate. I don’t think it’s bad that we expect the president of the whole country to be smart. I want them to be smarter than me!
