• teichflamme@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    7
    arrow-down
    29
    ·
    11 months ago

    That has to be one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever read on the internet.

    If the West wouldn’t support Ukraine then the Russians would kill them without resistance, that’s about it.

    • OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      51
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      11 months ago

      If the West didn’t organize a coup in Ukraine, put Nazis into power, then prod them into slaughtering their countrymen, then the Russians wouldn’t have invaded. The Russians didn’t just wake up one day and decide to invade Ukraine.

      I’d love to see how you people will react when Mexico joins BRICS and the US invades it.

      • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        51
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        11 months ago

        I’d love to see how you people will react when Mexico joins BRICS and the US invades it.

        I cannot fucking wait for China and Russia to do freedom of navigation exercises between Cuba and Florida like how the US does with Taiwan and China and for Americans to just fucking LOSE it. Holy shit, it’ll be so funny. “No, this isn’t the same because China is evil and we’re the good guys!”

      • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        29
        ·
        11 months ago

        Mexico aint joining brics unfortunely. Tho it doesnt stop the US from manufacturing consent to invade on a daily basis with their fentanyl+cartel talking points.

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      37
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      11 months ago

      The West’s support of Ukraine is getting them all killed anyway. Might as well lay down your arms and have some working-age males to rebuild the country with after surrendering.

      They could have made peace near the beginning of the war and they rejected it. Russia offered to hand back Kherson and Zaporozhye oblasts and withdraw, but Ukraine refused. Hardly the rhetoric of a bloodthirsty warlord.

    • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      30
      ·
      edit-2
      11 months ago

      If the west wouldn’t ‘support’ Ukraine then they’d still have their democratically elected government and wouldn’t be in conflict with Russia in the first place

        • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]@hexbear.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          15
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          11 months ago

          If nearly a decade ago Ukraine were allowed to keep it’s democratically elected government, they would be under Putin’s control?

          Why do you feel comfortable jumping in to argue when you don’t seem to know what’s being talked about in the first place?

          • blackn1ght@feddit.uk
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            11 months ago

            The leader that Ukraine rejected because he was under Moscow’s control? Funny that you don’t mention the constant meddling that Moscow has been doing in Ukrainian politics to bring it under their control. Ukraine elects a leader that wants to align with Europe and not Russia and suddenly Russia engages in a 3 day war to get rid of Zelensky. Funny that.

            • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]@hexbear.net
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              15
              ·
              edit-2
              11 months ago

              Holy shit what a nauseating smuglord

              hitler-detector from how you assign the will of “Ukraine” to the fascist militias that carried out the coup. Not the actual voting population of the country. Those people aren’t “Ukraine”. Because “Ukraine” rejected what Ukraine voted for. FuNnY thAt.

              PIGPOOPBALLS

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.mlOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      30
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      11 months ago

      If the west didn’t use Ukraine as a proxy there wouldn’t have been a war in the first place. It’s sad human garbage such as yourself that mad it possible. Now you sit here and bloviate while people die. Fuck you!

    • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      28
      ·
      edit-2
      11 months ago

      Did all the Japanese get killed after they surrendered? Did all Germans? If they had surrendered earlier less of them would have died. The same goes for Nazi Ukraine. Their defeat is inevitable, and prolonging the inevitable only adds to the suffering…and to the list of war crimes that they will be charged with by Russia’s tribunals afterwards. The West’s “support” is literally destroying Ukraine and they have all admitted that they have no problem with this, in fact they profit from it.

      The West is happy to “fight to the last Ukrainian” to hurt Russia, the Banderite Nazis are happy to die (and force their less fanatical compatriots to do so as well) for the West so long as it enables their genocidal urges, meanwhile the only ones who actually care about the Ukrainian people and have gone out of their way to try and save them from the Western imperialists and from themselves are the Russians.

      It’s actually really sad that there isn’t a single country on the planet that cares about Ukraine except Russia (and maybe Belarus). To the West they’re just a tool, useful idiot cannon fodder, to the rest of the world they’re a tragic cautionary tale about what happens when you let the lunatics take over the asylum, which is what happened on the Maidan in 2014. If you really cared about Ukraine you too would want the flow of weapons and money to them to stop, because otherwise sooner or later Ukraine won’t exist anymore.

    • WafflesTasteGood [he/him]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      23
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      11 months ago

      If the West wouldn’t support Ukraine then the Russians would kill them without resistance, that’s about it.

      Kill who? Without the west supplying and supporting Ukraine wouldn’t even have a functioning military to kill.

    • Tachanka [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      11 months ago

      you’re so wrong it’s hard to know where to even begin. You buy into the premise that the US arming reactionaries and building them up as a force to destabilize and entire region is somehow “protecting” people.