Between 30 to 50 people swarmed the Nordstrom at the Westfield Topanga Mall in Woodland Hills, making off with thousands of dollars worth of luxury handbags and high-end clothing, an LAPD spokesman told NBC News.
LOL why are they calling it “shoplifting” this isn’t some bored kid stuffing a shirt under their clothes. This is an organized raid.
They even mention the use of bear spray. That alone turned it from being shoplifting to a robbery. Since now there’s the inclusion of violence and/or threat of violence
Yep, from what I understand: Larceny (illegal taking and asportation of an item or items) + Assault = Robbery
I know why
Still just shoplifting.
Wrong. The second they used the bear spray it went from shoplifting to a robbery. Because now violence or threat of violence is involved.
I’m no lawyer, but it might even be considered armed robbery depending on how the state views sprays.
I’m a lawyer and you’re absolutely right legally speaking. In the eyes of the police though, it’s shopifting, or at best like shoplifting+. The perpatrators had masks on and got away. The store is insured for the loss.
Nobody is going to look hard for these people.
It makes me laugh how many people think this is a new development only in CA and in 2023.
This happened back in the 90s to my mom while working retail. Like 10 people came in and carried off the furniture they had in the store, because they knew the employees were instructed not to do anything.
Shit like this has been happening all over the US for decades, the media just decided it was the hot new topic to get more clicks recently. Even the Walgreens CEO who said theft was so awful they had to close a bunch of stores later admitted they “cried wolf”.
Rich people love the idea that theft is out of control in the media because it gives them a talking point to keep us peasants in control. Starbucks was charged by the labor board for closing down unionizing stores under the guise of “safety concerns”. Starbucks isn’t the only place that has been pulling that shit.
And that’s not to say I agree with 50 people bear spraying people and stealing luxury shit either. This isn’t someone stealing food from the grocery store to feed their kids. It wasn’t billionaires working in the store, it’s people working a shitty retail job for shitty pay no doubt. But it is a topic being overblown for rich people’s benefit.
The biggest theft is wage theft. But nobody cares because is ok to stole from someone that is poorer that you.
Same energy as people bitching about the homeless in SF and Portland. It’s like have you seen our downtown bro, there’s a tent city
Strongly considering buying property in Portland because values are depressed because of the propaganda/fear-mongering. I think there is a small, but legitimate risk that it eventually becomes true, though.
Downtown Portland has gone to shit, no doubt about it. But there are problems in every city that needs addressing. For what it’s worth I’d move to Portland still, the area is beautiful and much better than the increasingly overpriced desert I’m living in
Have you actually been to Portland? It’s not propaganda or fear-mongering. There are massive tent cities of homeless people under all of the major overpasses, and at a few random points throughout the city. It’s a very real problem.
I used to work at a dollar store back in the day, and I was warned that this guy comes in every few weeks and grabs a bunch of jackets then runs out the back door.
No shit like clockwork it happened.
I was warned not to engage and just call the cops. My first time, I was in the back taking a shit in the bathroom next to the rear emergency exit. I heard the alarm go off and jumped up, pulled up my pants and ran out to catch him. He ran out back, I ran out after him. He pulled a gun on me and I learned my lesson. Let the dude have the jackets. Got it.
It’s changed recently to be far more organized. Crime goes in cycles though, catalytic converter and retail rings are just the big ones right now.
This isn’t someone stealing food from the grocery store to feed their kids… But it is a topic being overblown for rich people’s benefit.
How is it overblown? It is a real issue with law enforcement in America. People are being permitted to destroy and steal property. We need to get to the root cause of what’s going on their. It’s due to failures on multiple fronts. You can’t just say ignore it because capitalism bad. Capitalism is a founding principle of this country’s economy. You can’t play the card that these people are protesting corruption because others are enriching themselves by stealing goods. That’s not noble in any way and doesn’t help employees.
Fuck the founding principles. The “founding principles” of this shithole have been letting nepo babies, clay-footed ‘philanthropists’, grifters, and con artists rob the common man for 400+ years. And the ‘rise of criminality’(fuckin lmao, okay settler) will only get worse the more the common are robbed. The ‘root cause’ is the elites being ‘elite’; and there is really no way you’re gonna get me to condemn actions like what these raiders took in this day and age.
I don’t understand why you think bear spraying employees who probably get paid a shit wage and can barely afford rent let alone insane grocery costs right now is helping? Now they will have medical bills they can’t afford on top of maybe having to miss work, which they also can’t afford.
I agree the root cause needs to be fixed. But if you want to steal as an attempt at fixing that at least do it in a way that you are not fucking over other people in the same position as you. They aren’t part of the problem.
Is it unfortunate that civilians were in the splash zone with lpos and rent-a-pigs? Yes. Am I going to condemn the thieves’ actions? No. Fuck the police, fuck the elites who rob us day in and day out, and fuck anyone who’s gonna sit there and pearl-clutch for them like you’re not getting robbed too.
Billionaires love when we infight amongst ourselves rather than go after the real problem. You’re just playing into their hand. It’s not “pearl clutching” it’s called solidarity. Standing together against the real issue instead of continuing to fuck over each other. There are plenty of ways to steal without fucking over your fellow worker.
You seem to prioritize harming fellow workers over tackling the root cause, which is unfortunate. United we stand, divided we fall. There’s a reason billionaires are VERY scared of us working together, even moreso than theft.
Thank you!! Said it best!
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Acting like little what now? Techbros, never even fuckin once
It’s also “over $100k” if you believe that cheaply made stuff is worth that price.
Nordstrom is a store I go to when I need a laugh. Their prices are the peak of comedy.
Nordstrom will put high end goods near brands that are more affordable. It’s like having an expensive bottle of wine on the menu so the customer doesn’t feel so bad about paying 50 bucks. If you need to laugh go to a genuine luxury store and the prices are insane. Like $10k for a back pack nuts.
Also this is just 2k per person who would risk that?!
This country is so cutthroat capitalist that now even the consumers are becoming predatory.
This is organized crime.
Loosely by definition sure, but not real organized crime
Looks like run of the mill theft to me. Sure, perpetrated by a lot of people at once, but without proof of a legitimate business operating as a money laundering front for the proceeds of the fenced goods, this isn’t organized crime.
“Keep those wages low, the poors will never do anything about it”
“I’m poor so I’m not responsible for stealing luxury goods and bear spraying minimum wage security guards.”
I grew up poor. I didn’t do this. Your comment is dripping with the implicit accusation that poor people are basically just animals. Incapable of controlling themselves when they see nice handbags.
Of course poor people aren’t “basically just animals”, the OP didn’t imply that. What the OP is saying is that when genuine opportunity doesn’t exist, some people will find their own opportunity and/or weigh the consequences of their actions differently.
Wealth and income disparity have consequences and this is one of them. Public unrest is another eventual outcome. Something needs to be done about it or something will be done about it.
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Your comment is on the nose.
I have had many arguments with people over the fact you shouldn’t want to shoot someone over property. I’m a gun owner but I don’t carry a gun and I don’t believe a life is worth less than property. The amount of people I know who carry a gun and have said they would shot someone for stealing is incredibly high and troubling.
I don’t know if it is a direct result of the daily dehumanization of ethnic groups and criminals we are bombarded with all day long everyday or if it is much more complex but there is a real problem in the US when large groups of people don’t value other people’s lives.
Once you use threats and violence to steal other’s property, you open yourself to bodily harm. Simple as.
I don’t believe a life is worth less than property.
I don’t understand the disconnect some people have when it comes to property. Property (and money) is a store of my time. My literal life. I worked for a year to be able to afford my car. You think someone else is entitled to steal an entire year of my life? That’s as close to endorsement of slavery as it gets. Do I think another should be permitted to steal my life? Absolutely not, under any circumstances. I don’t want to kill anyone, and I’ll give them a warning, but I would absolutely defend my life.
When you value someone else’s stuff more than your own life then that’s all that needs to be said. Condoning criminality breeds criminals.
I never said anything about condoning criminality. I said valuing property higher than life isn’t right. I said this in another post a few days ago but I’ll say it again. I live in a high crime area and I am sick and tired of people stealing from not only me but my neighbors and from businesses that support the community’s needs. That doesn’t change the fact I think it’s morally repugnant to want to kill someone for property theft.
If we invested more in community building and opportunities along with courts and police departments upholding the law we would have less of these types of crimes. Where I live the police stopped policing because they got mad after several officers were charged with the murder of a kid they arrested. In my eyes that makes them the same as the people stealing from the community. The courts here rarely convict juveniles so the kids know they can get away with just about anything.
While I say I live in a high crime area I also know that overall in the US crime rates have been declining over the years especially violent crime rates.
It’s morally repugnant to threaten someone’s well-being over property. One begats the other. Cause and affect.
Wrong. Rampant theft of labor, and a tacit refusal on the part of our oligarchs to alleviate the crushing weight of cost of living after accounting for rampant inflation and the constant transfers of wealth from the low and “middle”(lmao) classes to the rich over the last 25 years breeds criminals. The more society rots from within, the more criminals you’ll see. It’s a civic issue. It’s a societal issue. It’s unsustainable.
To wit, rising criminality-- if it even exists, which I’m wary to believe given how often settlers cry wolf about it-- will not change until the material conditions guiding our nation changes.
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Nobody is looking for them. Blasting the video out to the public was the goal here, corporate media loves a crime spree.
Eh, I don’t agree. Cops regularly act on shoplifting and commercial damages. It’s only when burglars attack regular people that cops don’t care. eg, try complaining to a cop if someone breaks into your car or steals a package off your porch or steals your bike. They don’t give a shit about any of those things. But you can regularly see cops detaining shoplifters at any Walmart or the likes. There’s regularly cases of cops being shamed because they bragged about arresting someone stealing food (heck, I saw such a post literally minutes ago on this site).
That’s when WalMart catches them and detains them. These people got away.
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Well you added that last part.
Unintentionally direct action
The mace part isn’t great but otherwise I say go get it.
This is nothing compared to what these corpos stole from us.
And how they treat the laborers that make the clothing.
Malls? They still have those?
It’s really only these super luxury ones left that are doing well.
this is a rich-to-poor wealth transfer
Could do without the can-to-face bear spray transfer though.
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Good
They maced people
Imagine being an oblivious shopper trying out clothes in the change room, eventually coming out with your selections, only emerging to a store that looks like a hurricane went through it.
When they steal food, I cheer. When they steal jewelry and snearks and whatnot I lol
Doesn’t matter what they steal. If it’s food, it’s for their stomach. If it’s luxury, it’s to resell. Either way, it’s not my place to condemn how someone survives and thrives in this fuck of a late-stage capitalist existence.
Cosigned!
The kids grew up learning heists on gta online, I for one approve of this well coordinated maneuvering against the establishment that steals from its people every day.
