That wasn’t a dream, it was a vision of the future. Luke’s a Jedi, the Jedi have faith in the Force. The Force showed him a vision, and he believed it. That’s what Jedi are supposed to do. And you know what else? The Force wasn’t wrong. Given what Ben would go on to do, Luke shouldn’t have hesitated.
Oh please, don’t quote that ketamine-addled frog at me. The whole thing is his fault anyway, he fucked up literally everything he touched:
First he opposed training Anakin at all. Because letting a kid whose Force sensitivity is off the charts run around unsupervised just after you’ve found out that the Sith are back is apparently a good idea…?
Then he assigned him to wet-behind-the-ears Obi-Wan instead of a more experienced master who might be able to guide him better, despite knowing full well that Anakin was going to be difficult to train due to being too old.
He didn’t recognize Palpatine as a Sith lord despite frequently meeting him face to face.
Failed to defeat Dooku.
Dismissed Dooku’s warning about a Sith being in control of the Republic as disinformation despite every word of it being true.
Provided incredibly stupid, worthless, ineffective, and likely even outright damaging ‘guidance’ to Anakin in the throes of emotional turmoil.
Decided that he and Obi-Wan should split up to fight the Sith individually instead of ganging up on one while the other was occupied, and then sent Obi-Wan after Anakin despite being explicitly warned that it wouldn’t work.
Failed to defeat Palpatine.
Tried to stop Luke from going to rescue his friends, who would later prove instrumental in the defeat of the Empire.
Tried to teach Luke the same “attachments bad” bullshit that he fed Anakin in order to get him to assassinate his own father; in the end, of course, it was precisely that attachment that proved key to victory. If anything, the Empire was defeated because Luke, unlike everyone else before him, didn’t listen to Yoda.
So yeah. Every single thing this little green asshole ever said and did was wrong. If it weren’t for him, the Republic likely wouldn’t have even fallen in the first place. If Yoda says that the future is always in motion, the one thing we can be sure of is that the future is as solid as a rock.
You’re totally right, Luke should have killed the boy who was force-molested as an infant because of a possible future. Ignoring that if he had killed Ben then we would have only seen like kill an as yet innocent child. And also ignoring if Luke hasn’t reacted out of fear, then Ben’s fate could have played out differently. And ignoring that by acting in fear, Luke drove Ben away and pushed him towards the dark side, making Luke directly responsible for billions of murders that Kylo caused.
What brilliant character development for Luke and genius writing from Rian Johnson lol
It’s almost as if Luke’s unwillingness to make necessary sacrifices and his half-hearted actions bringing about the exact outcome he was hoping to prevent were a deliberate commentary on real life and on the situations we find ourselves in both as individuals and as a civilization or something. But that can’t be true, because the sequels are shit in every way with no redeeming features whatsoever, and Rian Johnson is a complete idiot who doesn’t know what he’s doing.
make necessary sacrifices and his half-hearted actions bringing about the exact outcome he was hoping to prevent were a deliberate commentary on real life
You’re right, we should be executing children who statistically will grow up to be criminals/murderers. I guess I just got confused about who the bad guys were in Minority Report as well. What a great commentary on real life lol
I don’t think Luke used statistics to determine what Ben would do in the future.
As for Minority Report, it’s unfortunately one of those movies where the filmmakers try to clobber the audience over the head with a moral that the story doesn’t actually support. Jurassic Park is another such movie. It’s all about “man shouldn’t play god” and “life will find a way”, right? Wrong! The dinosaurs only escaped their enclosures because Nedry sabotaged the system and turned the electric fences off. The park would’ve been fine if he hadn’t done that. The real moral of that story is that humans can triumph even over mother nature as long as we don’t stab each other in the back.
Minority Report is a very similar case. The precrime program was a roaring success, eliminating nearly all premeditated murders. Yeah, sure, one guy managed to figure out a way to fool the system, but luckily he got caught regardless. That’s a reason to implement safeguards and improve the system, not to shut the entire program down. No system is perfect. Sure, precrime would probably produce a few wrongful convictions and fail to catch a few criminals, but guess what, those issues were far worse under the old system. Going back to a crappy old system because the new and improved system is not absolutely flawless is just stupid. Even in its prototype stage, precrime had far fewer issues than conventional law enforcement, and those issues would’ve been reduced even more with further development and refinement of the system. Shutting the entire thing down the moment a single teething issue cropped up was one of the most egregious cases of throwing the baby out with the bathwater ever put on screen. So yes, you unironically did get confused about who the bad guys were in Minority Report, but it’s not your fault, because the filmmakers were confused about it too.
Yes, I thought that was obvious from the start. What part of “Luke shouldn’t have hesitated” did you find unclear?
Let me give you an analogy. You see a huge guy, beside himself with rage, winding up to chop a baby using a machete. Do you think it’s psychopathic to shoot him in the face to save the baby? That’s the position Luke was in. He could see what Ben was going to do in the future just as clearly as you can see what the big angry guy is about to do. And if you hesitated and the baby ended up chopped in half, you’d probably feel a lot of regret and guilt, just like Luke.
The Jedi exist in a universe where the deity they worship is actually real and provides them with both a way of seeing far into the future as well as an objectively correct moral compass. This means the Jedi are ethically obligated to act in ways that might seems psychopathic to people who do not posses such clairvoyance. This is precisely why they’re supposed to avoid emotional attachments, because those might compel them to act in ways that feel better in the moment but end up doing far more harm. The older I get, the more convinced I become that basically all of humanity’s problems boil down to people doing what they feel like instead of what they know they should.
That wasn’t a dream, it was a vision of the future. Luke’s a Jedi, the Jedi have faith in the Force. The Force showed him a vision, and he believed it. That’s what Jedi are supposed to do. And you know what else? The Force wasn’t wrong. Given what Ben would go on to do, Luke shouldn’t have hesitated.
“always in motion, the future is”
Oh please, don’t quote that ketamine-addled frog at me. The whole thing is his fault anyway, he fucked up literally everything he touched:
So yeah. Every single thing this little green asshole ever said and did was wrong. If it weren’t for him, the Republic likely wouldn’t have even fallen in the first place. If Yoda says that the future is always in motion, the one thing we can be sure of is that the future is as solid as a rock.
You’re totally right, Luke should have killed the boy who was force-molested as an infant because of a possible future. Ignoring that if he had killed Ben then we would have only seen like kill an as yet innocent child. And also ignoring if Luke hasn’t reacted out of fear, then Ben’s fate could have played out differently. And ignoring that by acting in fear, Luke drove Ben away and pushed him towards the dark side, making Luke directly responsible for billions of murders that Kylo caused.
What brilliant character development for Luke and genius writing from Rian Johnson lol
It’s almost as if Luke’s unwillingness to make necessary sacrifices and his half-hearted actions bringing about the exact outcome he was hoping to prevent were a deliberate commentary on real life and on the situations we find ourselves in both as individuals and as a civilization or something. But that can’t be true, because the sequels are shit in every way with no redeeming features whatsoever, and Rian Johnson is a complete idiot who doesn’t know what he’s doing.
You’re right, we should be executing children who statistically will grow up to be criminals/murderers. I guess I just got confused about who the bad guys were in Minority Report as well. What a great commentary on real life lol
I don’t think Luke used statistics to determine what Ben would do in the future.
As for Minority Report, it’s unfortunately one of those movies where the filmmakers try to clobber the audience over the head with a moral that the story doesn’t actually support. Jurassic Park is another such movie. It’s all about “man shouldn’t play god” and “life will find a way”, right? Wrong! The dinosaurs only escaped their enclosures because Nedry sabotaged the system and turned the electric fences off. The park would’ve been fine if he hadn’t done that. The real moral of that story is that humans can triumph even over mother nature as long as we don’t stab each other in the back.
Minority Report is a very similar case. The precrime program was a roaring success, eliminating nearly all premeditated murders. Yeah, sure, one guy managed to figure out a way to fool the system, but luckily he got caught regardless. That’s a reason to implement safeguards and improve the system, not to shut the entire program down. No system is perfect. Sure, precrime would probably produce a few wrongful convictions and fail to catch a few criminals, but guess what, those issues were far worse under the old system. Going back to a crappy old system because the new and improved system is not absolutely flawless is just stupid. Even in its prototype stage, precrime had far fewer issues than conventional law enforcement, and those issues would’ve been reduced even more with further development and refinement of the system. Shutting the entire thing down the moment a single teething issue cropped up was one of the most egregious cases of throwing the baby out with the bathwater ever put on screen. So yes, you unironically did get confused about who the bad guys were in Minority Report, but it’s not your fault, because the filmmakers were confused about it too.
So you think Luke should have killed his innocent nephew who had been groomed and abused since childhood before he did anything bad at all lol
Literal psychopath position to justify TLJ’s crappy writing smh
Yes, I thought that was obvious from the start. What part of “Luke shouldn’t have hesitated” did you find unclear?
Let me give you an analogy. You see a huge guy, beside himself with rage, winding up to chop a baby using a machete. Do you think it’s psychopathic to shoot him in the face to save the baby? That’s the position Luke was in. He could see what Ben was going to do in the future just as clearly as you can see what the big angry guy is about to do. And if you hesitated and the baby ended up chopped in half, you’d probably feel a lot of regret and guilt, just like Luke.
The Jedi exist in a universe where the deity they worship is actually real and provides them with both a way of seeing far into the future as well as an objectively correct moral compass. This means the Jedi are ethically obligated to act in ways that might seems psychopathic to people who do not posses such clairvoyance. This is precisely why they’re supposed to avoid emotional attachments, because those might compel them to act in ways that feel better in the moment but end up doing far more harm. The older I get, the more convinced I become that basically all of humanity’s problems boil down to people doing what they feel like instead of what they know they should.