network effect
Yup. I quit everything but Reddit several years back without a second thought in all that time because I lived in a big metropolitan city.
Now I live in a small suburb where all the towns and businesses post to FB, neighbors have tradeposts and active interest groups on there, the schools and Police post info there too. My wife has connected to “friends” we otherwise wouldn’t exchange info with.
All that has had me wanting to create a new account - just to connect. I was completely ignorant to the role it plays outside of big cities beforehand. Nextdoor is a really crappy alternative.
I tried nextdoor but nobody was on it compared to the thousands in the local facebook group.
Nextdoor is the Boomer HOA of social media
The few people on ours are local real estate agents and severe weather alerts lol
Not missing much. It’s full of WASP-y pearl-clutchers.
Lucky that I’m a misanthrope so I don’t care about leaving communities and acquaintances behind.
That’s how I’m connecting with friends and family for the most part.
We are your friends now and we are your new family
That’s unsettling
It is at first but you will soon get used to it
True, brother
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Everyone seems to make this excuse for using Meta like it’s no possible without meta. They’re a piece of shit company, we shouldn’t be making excuses to stick around.
Come up with a reasonable replacement product, and do it through an ethical company, and people might switch. But you’re not gonna convince people to give up the convenience they’ve relied on for a decade without a really good reason, and “this company is evil” is way too esoteric for most people.
"this company is evil” is way too esoteric for most people.
Good point, and to push their argument further… what company isn’t? If they used that rebuttal i would have nothing to say.
Companies have forced everyone else out of what was previously a functioning non-commercial space. We have more choices than “evil company” vs “nothing”
That’s all well and good to say to me, cuz i agree with you, but that line is useless to someone who is on a social media platform because others are, and it is easy, and what they know.
These extra choices, the free ones… They gonna work as well as what they’re using? No. We’re not talking about netsavvy folks here. Can you rephrase your previous comment into one that is convincing for someone like that?
Hell, related topic: even Lemmy.world, the largest instance i know of is affiliated with Meta in some way. Do you block Lemmy world? I don’t. I used to but was missing too much. So who would i be talking down to these folks?
Oh come on, that’s like “all politicians lie”. There is “I record every millisecond of your private life to sell to anybody with a fat enough wallet” evil and there is “I am raising prices this year because I can” evil. The two are not the same.
If it’s unclear, this is a hypothetical conversation between me and a Facebook user. Is there something you could say to an existing Facebook user to get them to change? Context is “convincing, effective arguments”.
Facebook is the absolute worst of the worst though. They have proven time and time again that they will always be as anti-consumer as the law allows - and then some. It only takes a peek at their wikipedia page to see how true this is.
I can’t convince all my acquaintances in my group chats to switch platform.
They don’t got a goddamn phone to SMS with???
Let me guess, you still use Twitter too
They don’t have email?
It’s 2024. People don’t socialize over email anymore.
Social media has barely been around for 20 years, we kept in contact with those we wanted to just fine before it. But now with social media you’re in contact with all of them all the time, even the ones you aren’t particularly excited to see once a year on the holidays.
But… But… Marketplace something something
I actually tried to use marketplace a few weeks ago. It was an unmitigated disaster. People either didn’t respond, had stale posts for items, or couldn’t get their act together to have a conversation (even with 12 hours between messages) about how to get shit out of their house. I have never yearned for old-fashioned yard sales so much.
I’ve used Marketplace many times without issue.
Yes because none of them have a goddamn phone number, can’t talk to em unless you have a facebook account!!!
Jesus fucking Christ what a bunch of bullshit
Half of that is why I ditched it in the first place
There are dozens of us that don’t have a FB account!
I created a new one just to use the marketplace. I don’t post or read anything else.
Mine dates to '09. It’s been dead since '14. I only keep it around to use Marketplace since Craigslist is basically dead.
The only reason I keep my fb is so my mum can send me things she finds funny online.
Also reddit - why still keep using reddit
Niche interests and/or local stuff. My city has basically no activity over here, so I still browse the local subreddit regularly.
Way, way more content. Lemmy isn’t even close.
Must. Consume. Content. 🤖
I mean that’s why you’re here too. Lemmy would be all I needed if all I cared about was Linux and Star Trek memes. But lets say I want a live thread with hundreds of people all watching the same sporting event I am and chatting about it, I’m going to need to go somewhere else.
Besides from the Turkish shooter meme, there was barely any engagement in the Olympics here. Our interests here are so niche not even the largest sporting event in the world can get our attention.
But at what price!
Soon this will be a literal question with the paid subs and all coming
Reddit has communities without active alternatives here 🤷
I have switched to using a WPA version with Adblock
I have up FaceFuck after Brexit and the Cambridge Analytica scandal.
They brainwashed people into voting against their own interests by “Targeted Advertising” which is basically brain washing.
Of course nothing came of the Cambridge Analytica scandal, and I can’t do anything about that as a Plebian, so I just left.
I left Reddit when they took my favourite app. I used it to Doomscroll and that wasn’t great for my mental health, so it was a no-brainer
So Lemmy and only Lemmy for me. I got over my addiction to social media by taking up the Rubik’s Cube.
I’m currently working on getting an average solve under 30 seconds…
So if you use your social media time to do something productive instead, you can do some crazy shit
The only reason I go to Reddit anymore are the credible defense megathreads. It is the last subreddit that has not been taken over by partisan botfarms pushing an agenda.
I’m into home automation and self hosting services and the only time I go to Reddit is when a Google search of something I’m researching takes me there.
I don’t log in (which sometimes fucks me, weed subreddits for example need a sign in for ages verification) so if I have to log in I just nope out, and I will actively try to not use Reddit if I can help it.
Been using f2l and can’t even get under 1 min. How do you do it?
Honestly the short answer is practice.
Long answer is also practice, but with information lol.
I spent a long time moving from 2 look to 1 look (oll and pll) using this website https://jperm.net/algs/pll I’ve linked the PLL but there’s OLL there too.
On this page I learned as many of these as I could. You can click on the picture and change the status from unlearned to learning to learned, then go to the trainer and you can select those 3 statuses and it will show only things you’ve selected. You can also click on the alg to get alternatives or even put your own alg in.
So I’ve gone to that page and set an alg as training, then just practiced that one alg until I have it in muscle memory. I aimed at trying to get each type of alg learned, so corners are there, or middles need moving, or headlights are there, or even that there is no pattern.
I was advised to learn PLL first then OLL algorithms, but I kinda picked out the patterns I see most in both, or algs that seemed the simplest first. So I have been learning both together and working from easiest to remember to hardest, and also making my own up for the ones that are most complicated.
This meant that I could practice a few, then go and do solves and when the patterns I knew came up I’d get faster solves for those patterns.
Ok so that’s the big time saving out of the way, takes a lot to learn all the algorithms so it’ll take time. But there’s also taking time to plan your cross. That can save you a good chunk because there’s less head scratching when you start.
Then there’s the look ahead, which I’m only just getting. I did a lot of slow solves to get this in my brain and it’s quite big. This is what I’m practicing to get from my 40second average down to 25
So as you’re solving a corner and edge into the corner, once you have it set up into a 3 move insert, you don’t need to look at it anymore. It’s 3 loves to insert, so instead of looking at it as you put it in, you have to train yourself to look for the next 2 pieces you’re putting together.
While your learning the OLL and PLL and just doing solves (not training algs), when you get one you don’t know, try and alg you do know on it. Sometimes this changes your top pattern to an easier pattern that you can solve. It’s like a stopgap 2 look (pll or oll). Eventually as you learn all the algs you’ll find that you can “wing it” with some of the harder algorithms by just doing a couple of easier ones, which is all the harder ones are anyway, a couple of easier algs with a connecting move in the middle.
Hope all that helps. I’d also advise you have a “travel cube.”
I have an extra cube that lives in the pocket of my leather jacket (yes I’m a metal-head Dad, doesn’t quite fit the stereotype does it?) and it comes in useful when I’m stuck in a queue, or at the Dr waiting room or A and E (or emergency care as it’s called in the US). This allows me to cube instead of whipping my phone out when I have time to kill out of the house.
Yeah my travel cube is a really cheap one as I don’t want to get it dirty.
I got 2 expensive (over £30) ones and the worst one became my travel cube. My cheap but decent cube is my work cube. Work in a factory so I have to not give a single fuck about it.
Thing is, now it’s just sat in my pocket at work for 6 months it’s actually pretty decent. When I bought it and tried to make it decent I couldn’t. It’s like the grease and silicone has made it a half decent cube
Yeah, it’s always surprised me a little bit just how strong they still are. While the often-online do tend to shy away from it, it’s actually still a preferred platform for the less-online, due to how easy it makes coordinating real life events. Also not the sort of segment that usually cares much about data privacy.
I can’t use meta out of self respect
I don’t integrate it with anything else, but facebook remains my best option for getting current contact info for anybody from my past. Even after the enshittification, it remains an effective Rolodex. Rolodex…I am old.
You’d be surprised how much you’re integrating it with everything else. Facebook has installed trackers on most major websites, and without the right tools blocking it, they are essentially following you everywhere.
that happens regardless of whether you have an account.
Fair point, but I still need a quick way to tell people about upcoming funerals. On the plus side, I’m between the wave of friends’ baby photos and the wave of grandbaby photos. Which is nice.
And yet your life would be almost literally no different if you didn’t speak to a single one of them again after dropping the charade of cordiality and reminiscing.
You clearly haven’t met all of my friends.
Sure I haven’t, Bob.
Hahaha! It was a good bet on my part.
Last I checked Facebook had the most active users it ever had. I don’t like Facebook either, but it’s also sad so many people here live in such a bubble that they think they’re part of some big movement of people ditching Facebook.
I don’t think anything of the sort. I found that I didn’t enjoy my time on the platform so I don’t use it anymore. That simple evaluation had more to do with my decision to stop using it than any moral issues I could cite, of which there are many.
I don’t think anyone here uses Facebook for fun.
For staying up to date on my local shops and events, Facebook is just the easiest and more reliable option.
Not sure we should be shaming people about what social media they use lol
We should and I will.
we absolutely should. facebook is fucking evil, and getting everything to move off it, damaging the network effect, is important for creating a more free and open information ecosystem.
You realize you’re shaming people on Lemmy, the people who clearly already support a more privacy centric and less profit-driven approach to social media.
We don’t live in a Utopia where all 7 billion people have already followed suit, and shaming won’t help. Providing a welcoming community will.
in general. plenty of reasons you might be here, could just be reddit got unusable.
Reddit
Bingo
yep. I know if it wasn’t unusable trash I might not have come over to lemmy.
Name social media platform that isn’t “evil”
lemmy isn’t too evil. on purpose. mostly.
certainly less vile than facebook. “no political system is perfect so im’a just exterminate the jews and revere the fuhrer” is not a good look
and if that sounds like hyperbole, remember how many of your young-male and elderly relatives were radicalized by that social media platform, which has been critical or complicit in multiple genocides, finished and ongoing.
You like getting personality-tracked and getting psychological experimentation done on you without your consent?
lol what a silly statement.
I like being up to date on what my city councillors are doing, events my local cafes host, local art exhibits, etc. Things that have tangible benefits to my community.
If you can convince them all to share that content on Mastodon be my guest :)
I like being up to date on what my city councillors are doing, events my local cafes host, local art exhibits, etc. Things that have tangible benefits to my community.
I’m going to say this in the nicest way possible- get up off your behind and attend council meetings in person, walk around your neighborhood, do anything except getting all your local news from Facebook. It’s literally there to show you what they want you to see, not what you want to see. Meta as a company is awful, and the algorithms they use to deliver content and advertising to you are a malignant tumor on society. Any information you get from it can easily be ascertained by walking around your neighborhood.
Sorry but this is wildly oversimplified. I walk and take an e-scooter almost exclusively and couldn’t possibly hope to gather all the information about my city happenings.
Proposed plans by my councillors are often not posted on posters or billboard on my street, and the ones that are may not give me sufficient detail.
And aside from politics, cafe’s a 60min+ walk away are never going to be advertising their events on my street lol.
Also yes of course far more people should go to council meeting in-person, but often work or other responsibilities can get in the way.
Right. You have all the content there but fitted with more horrible tracking mechanism. Choose between it.
As a more practical answer, use your facebook as a webpage(Don’t use app on phone) on some pretty privacy friendly web browser. Or maybe there are bots which scrapes the content and gives it to you
Never used any bar Reddit, then binned that for Lemmy.
Same. Lemmy is the only social media I use as well after I dumped reddit.
Obligatory: fuck Spez.
Still waiting for good alternatives.
Cancer? Eating feces? Stabbing forks in your own eyes?
There’s loads of alternatives!
No? Quit being an ass.
… I’m just joking, I didn’t attack anyone, only a multi-billion tech conglomerate. I don’t understand howi can possibly be an ass here.
“ItS juSt A JOkE”
No you aren’t. There are so many networks and apps far better than fb, you just would rather not switch. Quit the excuses
The main problem is always “nobody else that I care about uses/will use the alternative”, so it’s a dead end
Uh, yes i am?
Please show me the app that local drift events get posted to.
…that local cycling events get posted to.
…that the local buy/sell market gets posted to.That’s what i use fb for.
Also, go fuck yourself. Don’t be an ass with me just because you’re butthurt people use a social media you don’t like.
Well craigslist in my area is kinda dead so Facebook market place is the only place to do local buying and selling. It also acts as a lowest common denominator, I find someone on facebook send a few messages until we agree on some other social media to continue communicating on. Then My family uses What’s app and has done since before they were acquired by meta. Getting them to switch is something I push for, but I’m not holding my breath.
There’s also Nextdoor, but fuck that noise with all the nimby and boomers on that platform “omg I saw a weird guy that was…. walking! Should I call the police?”
Edit: I typed “doomers” and it autocorrected to “boomers”, I’m leaving it
I’d rather be a loner than go back to that shitbook.
At least it’s not X/Twitter
Yea, nah. Say what you want about X, but Meta is in a whole other league than X. In my communities it’s monopolising to a large degree:
- finding housemates/sharehouses,
- buying/selling second-hand goods online,
- info on events,
- news-updates for community groups, and even
- shift swaps at work
amongs others. All essential services that Meta took over one by one.
X on the other hand is just a micro-blogging platform.
That thread is hardly accurate. Lemmy acts holier-than-thou about social media, so most people that do use Twitter or Facebook didn’t post because they’d be shit on or have memes created about how they use social media owned by evil robots.
