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I definitely think there’s a strain of dogmatism in science. We need to be careful. Science is not the Truth, it’s a method for producing accurate predictions. We accumulate evidence until the predictions seem overwhelmingly likely, or not. At no point have we proven that things might not be completely different from what we imagine them to be, or that they won’t change. Science isn’t Truth, it’s just a method of finding the best answer up to that point.
And religion is not only a truth, it’s not a method of finding the truth either.
You’ve eloquently stated my position.
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I think it’s also just hardwired into us. We want a definite explanation for things. That’s a big reason why we’re where we are as a species!
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Careful. Science is not the Truth, it’s a method for producing accurate predictions. We accumulate evidence until the predictions seem overwhelmingly likely, or not. At no point have we proven that things might not be completely different from what we imagine them to be, or that they won’t change. Science isn’t Truth, it’s just a method of finding the best answer up to that point.
Listen to the mainstream, not the mediastreams, don’t listen to the jackasses spewing transdimensional micro-wormholes – yet. There’s mystery in science, but that’s literally how we find the next-big-thing. When there’s mystery in religion, you are supposed to ignore it.
We shouldn’t think of science as a better replacement for religion. It’s a different thing entirely; if we start worshipping rationalism, we’ve just made ourselves the gods of a new religion.
What if I told you that many people don’t believe in any gods at all? Worship is a choice and not a necessity.
I think their point was that we inherently start worshipping ourselves once we begin to think that we are the source of empirical truth and rationality that our gods used to be.
My point is that many people reject the idea of godhood altogether, and the concept of worship is akin to voluntary slavery. Some people never had any gods at all.
Just because a group of people does something frequently, does not make it a requirement or even an expectation of the whole.
Rationalism can lead to a cult mentality. It’s happened before. Of course, you could say that this isn’t “true rationalism”, but you have to ask yourself if you’re actually practicing rational thinking or just fetishizing the trappings of rationalism. I think that this means that skepticism is just as important as rationalism.
Science is definitely a better replacement of religion. But let’s not go crazy there…or we end up with eugenics and phrenology.
Just name one thing? Reason! Ha, checkmate atheists!
I googled the website on one of the signs, bounced on 2 or 3 links and found this gem :
https://www.thetrumpet.com/literature/1176-does-god-exist/print
Checkmate atheists!
(/s, in case anyone needs this)
That hurt to read, I feel I’m dumber now
I questioned the existence of God! Also I questioned the opposing doctrine of evolution.
Right out the gate, there’s a false premise. Evolution is not an opposing doctrine to belief in God. In fact, some Christians believe in both God and evolution. There’s no contradiction there, as evolution says nothing about whether or not God exists.
Science itself during the dark ages.
Romans were doing very well before my buddy JC came along.
Maybe our sins should have stayed unforgiven, you know?
Idk, I feel like atheism (well, maybe just Reddit atheism) has quasi-religious vibes.
It can come off as a just an excuse to wash your hands of epistemology i.e. it’s a logical assertion that got twisted into a belief system
Nope. Atheism is the lack of a logical assertation.
“Can you name one thing…?” OK I’ll try.
Religion: Creation.
Science: Steady State! No initial creation!
(CMBR has entered the room)
Science: Oh shit.
Sources:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen+1%3A1&version=NIV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady-state_model
The religious notion of creation still presumes there was a state of nothing in some alleged p before time.
The Big Bang makes for a chronological event horizon, yes, so we can only hypothesize what happened before or if there even was a before, and if there is a prime movement of the cause-effect chain.
God is not an answer. At very best, it is a label with no established properties. Especially not the first-dad properties that religions appoint God (omnescience, omnibenevolence, etc.)
(If you want to argue a simulated universe, then we can start talking about programmers.)
But where Stephen Hawking posited time only started with the Big Bang (so if there are causes, they’d have to occur on a separate, perpendicular axis of time), where Brian Greene (focusing on string theory and brane cosmology) figures ours is a single universe in a vast foam of them in a higher order manifold, and the intersection of two branes can cause a big bang event which is commonplace within this foam.
But what they figure is the universe we live in was started by natural forces, much the way our star was formed, or this earth. Those who are desperate for a creator deity to worship might try to insist They created the bulk (the foam manifold) but that positions all of life on Earth as infinitessimal and incidental. The depths of our own universe are unfathomable, let alone the countless others that exist alongside us.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
Religion’s contribution was that the universe… began?
It’s stll a presumption, and if we were to take Hawking’s approach (time started with the big bang, ergo, there’s no before in which causes could occur) it still leaves no room for a creator agent. Nothing happens without time.
So how does that work? We don’t yet know. It remains a singularity in our models.
But just as science is merely a (pretty darned accurate) model of the mechanics of the world we live in, religion is a mythical narrative of that world, based on tradition, and willfully modified to adapt to political, cultural and technological developments. The real world continues on its own and doesn’t care what we think… or if we’re around to think about it.
A sense of meaning. Not replaced but science hasn’t found it yet.
Not replaced
Exactly. Why did you post comment irrelevant to the question?
To counter the core of what I felt this comic is saying. Religion can be replaced by Science. Right now it can’t.
If you reach it in an external, supernatural being who grants it to you, maybe you’re searching in the wrong place.
Are you saying that science fails to recognize the single most potent element of human existence?
What?
I think genuinely my life would have been a lot easier with Spirituality, and the result of my life is being required to practice Mindfulness instead to manage the many many confusing thoughts.
I don’t find Atheism and Spiritualism to be, necessarily, incompatible with each other. One can believe in something beyond our material existence and also believe that there are no gods.
One can believe in something beyond our material existence
What would your foundation for it be?
i’m not religious, but anti-religious enlightened atheist garbage is some of the worst content out there
anti-religious enlightened atheist garbage is some of the worst content out there
Really? Pedantry is as bad as fatwas and religiously motivated killings?
How quaint.
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since when are religiously motivated killings “content”? same goes for fatwas. obviously i was referring to online content, specifically the trash found here and on /r/atheism
Define “trash”. I suspect your definition is equally quaint.
can you define quaint? bc it doesn’t seem like your intention lines up with its meaning
I’m being facetious. Believers like you complaining about atheists while enjoying a position of privilege are perfect targets for mockery.
The person started by saying they were not religious. Feels like you’re just looking to offend some religious people… on an atheist community. Kinda proving their point there bud.
exactly my point. the atheism subreddit used to be exactly like this too. it’s chock full of anti-religious circlejerkers that want nothing but to own believers and it’s just pure brainrot.
but that’s my problem with the current state of lemmy in general. it seems like there’s a lot of reactionary bullshit and no actual discussion. people will just assume that you believe certain things if you disagree with what they’re saying.
while you’re defining quaint, have a go at defining “content” and make sure it includes fatwas and religious killings, since you consider those to be content.
or perhaps you’re just circlejerking with the other antitheists here and it doesn’t matter as long as God bad Science good.
or perhaps you’re just circlejerking with the other antitheists here and it doesn’t matter as long as God bad Science good.
Maybe. But given that we’re not wrong, I don’t care if you’re offended.
It’s not the atheist part that sucks, just that a community for people who don’t believe in something’s (as opposed to a community for people who believe in something) lowest common denominator is basically hating something else, so you get a lot of condescending posts.
Doesn’t help that a lot of posts are also very edgy, because atheism tends to skew towards the younger generation. I cringe every time, but at least it’s not as bad as people taking the opportunity to be racist in the name of atheism.
I think all communities can be annoying in this exact way if they resort to virtue signaling / dunking / repeating the classic lines, as opposed to working to form new arguments.
as opposed to working to form new arguments.
Atheism is the rejection of thiest’s arguments. You’ll have to get the ball rolling over there before we can do anything.
are you sure you didn’t catch religion off someone who was contagious at the time?
