I’m still a bit confused. It was Ukraine that was attacked by Russia and needed to defend itself. How did NATO push them into war?
Edit: and yes, of course I agree that members of NATO have had a past of imperialism. But does that really mean that they should be labelled an “imperialistic organization” as they stand today?
In Cold War, NATO was created basically to fight communism, in time it envolved to fight any “non-aligned” country (any country that wasn’t in the USA’s sphere of “influence”, or trying to leave it). In 1991 USSR was forcedly dissoveld, against the will of most people, according to a referendum. In the occasion, USA signed serious agreements in Minsk (search for Minsk agreements) that included a commitment that NATO would not extend its frontiers a single meter in Russia direction; that was broken several times. In 2014 Ukrainian legitmate government fell due a midiatic coup (search for Euromaindan), supported by NATO. Since then, far-right, neo-nazi groups are oppressing the Russian speaking people of Ukraine, mainly in the region of Donbass. So, in 2021 Ukraine’s newly elected government, who in the campaign demonstrated will of return diplomatic relations with Russia, that were almost inexistent since 2014, suddenly turn it’s cloak and demonstrated will of to enter in NATO.
That’s a resume of history. If you really want to know things you need to do your own research. Nobody’s has obligation to teach you anything, even more information that’s public domain.
Thanks for answering to that guy. It was pretty obvious they were not here “just asking questions”, and also obvious they were downvoting any answer they got, but it’s good to engage the trolls and show other people reading the conversation the reality.
Between the Ukraine war and the Wagner coup, we’ve learned that if NATO ever wanted to come down on Russia like a tonne of bricks, the best Putin could do is blow up his roads and fuck off into a hole somewhere.
I sure hope Russia’s paying them, 'cause the alternative is even more depressing.
I’m still a bit confused. It was Ukraine that was attacked by Russia and needed to defend itself. How did NATO push them into war?
Edit: and yes, of course I agree that members of NATO have had a past of imperialism. But does that really mean that they should be labelled an “imperialistic organization” as they stand today?
In Cold War, NATO was created basically to fight communism, in time it envolved to fight any “non-aligned” country (any country that wasn’t in the USA’s sphere of “influence”, or trying to leave it). In 1991 USSR was forcedly dissoveld, against the will of most people, according to a referendum. In the occasion, USA signed serious agreements in Minsk (search for Minsk agreements) that included a commitment that NATO would not extend its frontiers a single meter in Russia direction; that was broken several times. In 2014 Ukrainian legitmate government fell due a midiatic coup (search for Euromaindan), supported by NATO. Since then, far-right, neo-nazi groups are oppressing the Russian speaking people of Ukraine, mainly in the region of Donbass. So, in 2021 Ukraine’s newly elected government, who in the campaign demonstrated will of return diplomatic relations with Russia, that were almost inexistent since 2014, suddenly turn it’s cloak and demonstrated will of to enter in NATO. That’s a resume of history. If you really want to know things you need to do your own research. Nobody’s has obligation to teach you anything, even more information that’s public domain.
Thanks for answering to that guy. It was pretty obvious they were not here “just asking questions”, and also obvious they were downvoting any answer they got, but it’s good to engage the trolls and show other people reading the conversation the reality.
@SoLongSealion @OrnluWolfjarl they didn’t, and these people are talking crap.
Between the Ukraine war and the Wagner coup, we’ve learned that if NATO ever wanted to come down on Russia like a tonne of bricks, the best Putin could do is blow up his roads and fuck off into a hole somewhere.
I sure hope Russia’s paying them, 'cause the alternative is even more depressing.
I’m honestly unpleasantly surprised to see this much pro Russian propaganda, but it makes sense. Smaller platform means more radicals get a voice.