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    Educated in history here (history should have no bias), while there are a greater number of slaves today they represent a smaller portion of the population than during the 1800s. In addition modern slavery is not the same as chattel slavery which is infinitely worse given that it denies the slave’s existence as a human being. Im not saying slavery is OK Im just saying your claims aren’t entirely accurate.

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        Responses from historians will rarely make you feel better, but will help you understand the complexities that people without that specialization often overlook.

        Knowledge is its own reward.

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      Automation means that proportionally fewer slaves can provide more. That “denies the slave’s existence as a human being” bit is rather vague. Are you saying modern slavery is not denying the slave’s existence as a human being? What does that mean?

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        Chattel slavery literally denied that slaves were human beings. They were seen as something less than the way many westerners view all animals.

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          The way they’re viewed really isn’t the problem. Someone being imprisoned and forced to work really isn’t affected by the man with the whips opinions of them, because of they slave away they don’t get whipped. They’re existence has been stripped too bare for such distinction to make a difference. Slavery is like war and war never changes.

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            That simply isn’t true. When your slaver looks at you as less than human they can justify a lot of mistreatment they would not do to another person.

            There’s a reason why Western chattel slavery is so vilified because almost every other nation still thought of slaves as people. Chattel slavery thinks of them like livestock.

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          How is that different from current slaves? Attitude of the general population? Doesn’t seem to make much practical difference.

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            You know how you don’t think a monkey is the same thing as a human? It’s like that, slaves were seen as smarter than a monkey but not people.

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              Again, that makes little to no practical difference to the slave, they’re getting abused just the same.

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                Point to the time where prisoners in the U.S. were stacked up on boats and shipped across the Atlantic for months at a time.

                You don’t see prisoners treated like cargo here. Don’t get me wrong, they aren’t treated well, but there are certain factors here that I don’t think you’re considering.

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                It makes difference in the kind of treatment they can expect. You likely are less concerned with your pet’s opinions of things than your family fir example because they are people.