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Spez is out of touch.
He’s forgotten what internet users are.
We are an entire cultural shift away from rule following and shit giving, to a movement of non-compliant Boaty McBoat Faces who will happily bring the whole system down on top of ourselves.
If only that was still true. Internet users used to be a niche counter-culture. Now they’re just normal people.
Normies have ruined our Internet! :(
We don’t even need a cause. We would literally bring this down for a meme.
We’d bring this down just because we already dropped 68 others and need one more to complete the set.
Ya that’s why both the moderator teams mentioned in the article quietly relented and removed the NSFW designation and the situation on reddit is more or less back to normal.
This isn’t over by a long stretch, dude. There will be guerrilla shit going on for a long time. Mods who have returned are already half-assing their jobs, people are demanding pay, and the user base is fractured.
Plus, this isn’t the end of Reddit’s bullshit. They’ll keep pumping out more ads and making more unpopular changes. Name the last big company that ever said, “Okay, that’s enough money made. We can go back to good service and a reliable product now.”
Those mods are operating in bad faith, in violation of the Reddit Sitewide Agreement and Content Policy, which encourage moderators to operate in good faith.
I doubt he really cares. this whole thing looks like “maintain a minimum viable product” until IPO.
he just wants to get paid, I cannot imagine he will care if reddit burns to the ground after the check clears.
I don’t like spez as much as the next guy but I don’t think this is true, as CEO of a pre IPO start up a significant part of his compensation would be equity/equity options etc so he probably cares a bit more than after the check clears
Millions of dollars is still millions of dollars and he won’t have to give a shit or work for the rest of his life.
Even if reddit reverse all their decisions from last 3 months I’ll still not go back to it.
Yeah. I mean why would someone? This place is growing leaps and bounds.
It’s really impressive how Lemmy/kbin have totally replaced reddit for me pretty painlessly. Any time Ive checked reddit out of FOMO, the content is far worse, and the comments are horrid.
The Memmy client on iOS convinced me, essentially same Apollo experience with a nicer and more informed community. Seems like everyone who actually participated on Reddit is moving here
It’s still missing a lot of the more niche communities. Most of the game communities I frequent are still almost entirely on Reddit
I’ve watched this place explode since Monday, this is just the beginning
I just deleted my Reddit account today. Don’t plan on ever going back, especially given how well Lemmy’s community has grown.
Imagine threatening VOLUNTEERS. How does any mod with self respect not just quit?
I turned all the communities I modded private and “basically” quit but I understand not completely quitting without thinking about it for a long time. I only modded for like 30K redditors but some of the communitites have millions and they got there with the unseen moderation. Mods love their communities and it’s really hard to just turn your back on them after you’ve cultivated real friendships and so much information has been shared. I think it’s a little more complicated than, “F reddit, I’m out”. They’ll get there though, it’s just become sooo much harder to actually mod the community you started.
@invno1 I have never moderated a community, but can absolutely see this! They moderated, because they loved the community and understood how to do it well. Maybe there are friends too, who you learn and discuss stuff with over the years. An angry user (like me) can “just” leave without many consequences. But a moderator also feels responsible to its community too. So I can understand those who have a hard time leaving. Maybe there was hope that Reddit will turnaround too.
Have they not threatened the communities with scabs as well? Like “if you don’t mod this, we will find someone who will”. The whole thing just seems super toxic and I really feel for the mods who genuinely cared and cultivated their subreddits. A lot of time and effort to be put into something for it to be thrown in their face for the sake of money.
Little bits of power go to people’s heads. Seriously, that’s the only reason you’d continue to do volunteer work while being threatened for doing so.
Maybe they just don’t want to give up on a community in which they put so much time, effort, and passion to help shape.
Hateful news, but upvoting this cause it’s not the op’s fault Reddit is being a b*…
Or else what? Like give them their life back?
Lol poor guys are not even getting paid. I would happily donate if they move to Lemmy and start an instance.
I find it hilarious that the stereotypical reddit power hungry mod turned into the indentured servant hero standing up against a greedy corporation.
The overwhelming vast majority of mods are not power mods and did it because they liked their communities. They’re good people who worked hard to make a safe, fun place for others.
When awkward turtle got banned, they were happy too.
We dont want those guys here
I just decided to abandon Reddit. It’s not worth it at this point with all the bs that’s happened in the past, and now this stuff too - what’s the point.
I’ve been having fun actually looking for new communities and new websites/technologies again. Made me feel like a kid again first discovering message boards
Reddit as a company is just so full of shit. “We’re so threatened by the fact that we can’t make money off of your subreddit that we’re going to threaten you.” Like?? All of this could have been avoided if they had just had reasonable pricing for their API. They’re just driving themselves into the ground.
I know right I don’t get it. Now they don’t even get a lower price income due to a lower price, they get nothing from 3rd party apps. And they are loosing a chunk of their community and traffic base.
Reddit’s entire business model is based on convincing people to do 99% of the community management work for free by telling mods they can run their communities however they want. Then the moment those mods (who, again, are doing valuable work for zero pay) try to actually run their community however they want Reddit says “no, not like that”.
“We demand the unpaid volunteers that aren’t listening to us to do as we say or we will find new unpaid volunteers who will replace you and spend their free time deleting posts and comments!”
The fact that some people are actually willing to take that offer is both hilarious and sad.
I get why people do it, I don’t get why people would do it to take over existing large subs in that mess.
Wanting some control over a community you care about makes total sense. You put in the time, and you foster the kind of people and content you are interested in.
Playing whack a mole in the current environment on reddit seems like a nightmare to me.
I’m sorry, but any mod that gets a message threatening them like that and stays on has zero self respect. It’s a volunteer job for god’s sake!
The problem is if you leave, someone else comes in, takes it over and can’t do anything to annoy the admins.
At this point the mods are just tanking, and finding new ways to become problematic. Which hopefully people will see. The admins had an easy way to make this work and instead they are just struggling to keep up with this bullshit.
I removed myself as a moderator and left Reddit.
Moderators remaining are already showing signs of exasperation. I was mass wiping all my account comments and received a week suspension for ‘inciting hate’ by an admin for a comment that moderators ignored (it was a comment in a post about an article quoting Putin “claiming the West wanted Russians to all kill each other”). The comment was 10 days old, but apparently editing to replace the original statement with “deleting - because Spez” triggered the admins.
Oh you too? I was wondering why I got a 7 day suspension yesterday out of the blue, I was so confused
Oh well, just stick a fork in reddit because it’s done
Let me get this straight. They do the work for free, and are upset you took their tools. You then tell them open the subreddits or we open them for you. So they do that, and change some rules, now you’re upset and telling them how to moderate their subreddits. Like seriously Reddit. Why not just moderate the subreddits yourself?
You have people who have given you FREE WORK for decades, they have increased the value of your site, and they’re justifiably angry, and all you’re doing is shitting on them more.
What a fucking joke. I know this won’t directly affect the IPO but I hope some companies are looking at this and realizing that Reddit admins have made all of this so much worse.
I think it’s too early to tell how it will affect the IPO - with valuation already cut drastically by Fidelity earlier and very much ongoing contention from the community (just took a look at r/pics and r/interestingasfuck, wow), they aren’t really going to be entering in the position they could have without these recent poor decisions.
I hope you’re right… I hope it’s true, I hope this hurts them, because this is what they deserve.
But I also know share holders care about the money, so if they can show their decisions have made them more profitable, fuck the outrage, full steam ahead.
And eventually the protests will stop somehow.
