Even though our country is a communist country, it’s pretty hard to find any Marxist, or even someone that really understand what communism actually is among the average people. So I’m trying to find out if there’s any Vietnamese lurking here at Lemmygrad. Show yourselves comrades!
Vijay Prashad said about this, Vietnam let the ideological training go off the hook in 1990s. Nowadays young generation think Michele Obama is a great leader. Even grass roots Chinese don’t know much about marxism, they only come to CPC for advancement in carrier and stuff. Hello from India though. Hats off to uncle ho and his heroic struggle
People are pro-capitalism as fuck over here (at least in my experience). Make me wonder when things went wrong.
Long time back our comrades analysed the opening up in China and post 90s . The overwhelming capitalist propaganda and marketing strategy had a detrimental effect in China. You can observe that before Xi, China was going for liberal thoughts and what not. It was Xi who kinda put a shield to the capitalist effect and also Trump’s Sinophobia, HK protests shaped the mindset. I could be wrong but Chinese are more interested in nationalism rather than Marxism as a whole. Well, you have to revitalize the ideological section but I doubt you can offset the trend though.
I wish we also had a competent communist leader over here. It’s getting wild talking to people around me about communism, most of them have no idea what they’re talking about.
at least you have sane people like Luna Oi and have hammer and sickle flags there , we have fascism and unapologetic hate for Muslims of any kind. You have saved people during covid , we let them die because lives of poor don’t matter here.
India does have some strong socialist movements, you can find plenty of hammer and sickle flags there too.
They’re mainly concentrated in certain areas though. CPI(M) has good strongholds in Kerala West Bengal and have decent influence in Bihar and South India. Then in areas like Jharkhand and Chattisgarh you have based Naxal activity. But in the BJP strongholds Communism is taboo. I don’t know if CPI(M) is good or if its revisionist but they have been doing a good job in Kerala and doing some land reform in Bengal.
I know CPIM , I have worked with them and they are not definitely revisionist . They have much better understanding of the theory than most commie parties of the world. Naxals don’t exist anymore , most leaders have been killed by the military.
Yeah being born here is definitely better than somewhere like the US. And people over here keep preaching about the “American dream” I’m so sick and tired.
Don’t worry , you need a historical spark to reorient the people in right direction. It will happen.
It would be wonderful but I’m not betting on it.
Are people in China generally nationalist, racist, or xenophobic towards foreigners? (Friendly ones of course). Kind of how Japan is?
It would seem self defeating if so, especially in the face of a proletarian movement.
it is Chinese nationalism definitely not the japanese one but yeah , I find their intellectuals have this weird fetish that only Chinese culture has saved China or might be superior to western one. This line of method has been criticized by Vijay Prashad
Im Chinese/European and live in Vietnam sometimes for work, i used to be there full time in HCMC but am not now. I had a few friends who are mostly leftists but it was sad how few even knew anything about the history or about Uncle Ho
The people like to connect our country’s past suffering to communism to shit on it and say that we are better off right now because we get to have whatever the fuck Westerners have.
The Vietnam War only 50 years ago? Have people already forgotten? What do the older generations say about that?
Do people still long for the American dream after having been bombed back into the Stone Age? Sprayed with biological and chemical weapons? Massacred?
Can’t really speak for the older people, but as I see it, most just kinda don’t care, the past is the past. People with money keep sending their child to America for education, say our country is not good enough, you can’t have a good life in Vietnam. It’s like they would rather live under the mercy of capitalism than fight agaisnt the big bad. Western propaganda has truly seeped through every corner.
Oh that’s interesting. Is Marxism taught in schools at all?
It is taught briefly in national universities but barely anyone give a shit about it. Students just think of it as something you have to go thru to graduate.
It makes sense for capitalists to keep the working class in the dark, but why would a revolutionary government neglect the education about basics of it’s ideology? I can’t understand that.
Because revolutionary governments can be infiltrated and corrupted just as capitalists governments are.
Hi, I was thinking about this recently, about how the social formation create communist parties and how if we fail to create the spirit of the revolutionary into the people the communist project falters.
below are additional readings that go into depth
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1970/ideology.htm
That’s a great essay.
Well, who’s gonna fight for the communist revolution if not the proletariat.
Our prime minister went from a guy who goes to local cafes and play chess with neighbors to a guy who lives in a big ass private mansion with a lot of corruption allegations so…
That’s interesting. Sounds like the institutions are missing something in the explanation. It’s up to the course designers to make sure their courses get student buy-in. That can be hard with Marxism in the west but it’s possible. While I wouldn’t have thought it would be ‘easy’ in a communist nation, I wouldn’t thought it would be achievable.
Edit: this university education, does it run through other subjects or is it a course about Marxism?
Very basic Marxist-Leninist ideology, barely even in-depth enough, you wouldn’t spend more than a few months with that course.
People tell me the sentiment is the same in China
I am not Chinese so I cannot speak to the exact situation, but that seems to depend on the location.
Beijing? Hardcore communist strongpoint with Marxism a strong focus in local politics, universities, and civilian life.
Shanghai? Extremely liberal and nearly devoid of communist influence, with strong western leanings.
Is Shanghai really as liberal as people say it is? I have my doubts, but I do know there are a shit ton of capitalist bootlickers in Shanghai.
It saddens me because I’d love to live in Shanghai or Shenzhen, but the liberal atmosphere and the threat of flooding piss me off.
My family’s from there and we’ve definitely felt that Shanghai is extremely westernized and liberal, even down to the smug moral superiority complex that western libs (the reddit types) have.
Many are pro-west and attribute the city’s success to opening up to west while downplaying a bit the fact that it’s due to the effective direct administration by the central government. Definitely have heard a few of them complain that the city government is not “ruled by true local old Shanghai-ers” and thus not putting their interests ahead of everything else.
What other cities besides Shanghai would you recommend for the same feel? Like say Chengdu.
Shanghai’s also quite expensive too…
There was a saying a while ago about “If you want to feel history, visit Beijing/Xi’An. To feel modernity, visit Shanghai. To experience the future, visit Shenzhen.”
Haven’t been to them but if you enjoy spicy food you should have a decent time in Sichuan. Hunan (Chairman Mao’s birthplace) might also be worth a visit.
The thing people forget is China is a normal country with a Marxist Leninist party running it, there are diverse beliefs and people, and it’s much more open then say, the soviet union, for better and for worse.
That’s really interesting I hadn’t heard that before.
It mostly revolves around cities that were bases for foreign influence, dating back all the way to colonialization. Shanghai was an occupied “port treaty” city, so it was heavily influenced by the British, Americans, Japanese, French, Dutch, and Germans. This has bled into the modern day as liberal and western sentiment is heavily entrenched. Shanghai is also a nexus of the financial market in China, so Western business and money is heavily concentrated in the city. This trend is repeated in Macau, Hong Kong, Zhenjiang, Tianjin, and so on.
Shanghai was also one of the primary Nationalist holdouts in the Civil War, so that also lends influence.
This image shows the sheer amount of colonized treaty cities that bled liberal and colonial influence into China. It is easy to see how 150+ years of imperialist influence can cause long lasting effects.
Damn that sucks to hear
Hello, fellow Vietnamese comrade here. Nice to see another Vietnamese here
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