Boooooo I’m tired of this argument. I’m not even going to read the post, but after reading the first line of Anatolians comment, did I summarize the argument close enough?
If you haven’t lived under communism then you are a LARPing moron who is aesthetics worshipping and knows nothing of the real world and the horrors of communism. You don’t know how real communism looks so you only love it from the privilege of a non-communist state, or wealthy western state. Also any research that you do is fake and you are making it all up as you go, as all your direct sources are just communist propaganda and nothing about the states you are talking about can be true, even if your sources are western. You are also blatantly “ignoring basic facts” that were probably taught in American high school and are pure propaganda.
Also from the opposite angle:
If you have lived under communism, your family has lived under communism, or you have moved to a socialist state, then you a brainwashed moron who is a paid bot shill from the CCP or Russia that is attempting to undermine and destroy the Great American Projects that have brought prosperity and democracy to millions worldwide.
As someone who lived in socialism and now have pretty decent living standard in a capitalist country with one of the highest standards of living in the world, I can tell you I enjoyed socialism far more. Even at the worst of times.
There is something special about not seeing a homeless person ever in your life, then visiting supposedly rich capitalist countries and being shocked by all the people suffering in the streets.
What country, if I may ask? I’d love to do some reading.
Socialist Yugoslavia. The difference with current leftover republics is incredible. What used to be a happy and secure place for the people, where they didn’t have to worry about their future or current existential problems, now turned into a poor, depressing capitalist hellscape, where most of the people are stressed out, insecure, depressed and angry. It’s literally the remnants of socialist Yugoslavia policies, like the free-housing, that keeps the people’s head above the water.
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In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
– Michael Parenti, Blackshirts And Reds
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he has never actually lived under communism
I bet this person would dismiss the positive opinion of people who lived under socialism about the USSR, communism and life under the socialist system as “nostalgia”, “brainwashing” and as a hundred and one more things that liberals came up with.
Also, I know it’s probably just simplification due to libs knowing shit about Marxist theory (
as if I better lmao), but nobody lived under communism. It wasn’t achieved in USSR, and it’s certainly isn’t achieved now.Didn’t Hakim’s dad study in the USSR, though?
“Brutus Albion”
sigh
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion-ass handle
Who is hakim? Sounds like a nice guy by the anger he provoked on the liberal
YouTuber and podcaster, channel named Hakim, podcast named The Deprogram
Good accessible content overall!
An Iraqi Doctor that somehow has time to be an unofficial marxist academic on his free time. The smartest dude on the Deprogram podcast.
and that’s a pretty high bar.
Liberal to marxist:
you’re not addressing contradiction
Lmao
Only problem with deprogram i have is them bringing brace belden on (essentially an imperialist adventurer, knowingly or unknowingly). There are legit criticisms but it’s not the ones libs would make.
Whats wrong with Truanon? I’ve like only heard the attack therapy series and the Black Hammer episode.
Brace Belden went to Syria to fight for rojava which ended up just being a trojan horse for US occupation of Syria. I used to enjoy True Anon, until east is a podcast pointed this out. Then it got tougher to listen to.
Edit, apologies: let me add the context:
I think it comes up towards the beginning of pt 2.
Does he still hold that that action was right? That war was complicated, it would have been reasonable to have been confused at the time.
Yeah, I remember a trueanon patreon ep where he brought on a guest that wrote the article or whatever that convinced him to go. In the comment section someone pointed out that this made him an imperialist and especially one on a weak whim and he brushed it off and got defensive.
You can tell by my comment that I was literally a paid patreon subscriber, so it’s not like I was looking for reasons to dislike the pod or whatever. There are still eps I listen to, but def not a paid subscriber. I don’t look for reasons to dismiss anyone, but sometimes that’s where things end up.
Bringing Syomin on was also a mistake, imo.
I have listened to the episodes with him but I have no idea who he is outside of that. Could you please elaborate?
Well, he’s nobody outside of that, that’s the issue. He’s just a doomer with bad China takes.
Ah ok. Yeah his “WW III” is definitely coming stuff did pull me down for a good few hours. So I get what you mean.
