There’s so much Nazi apologia from liberals going on It’s actually mind blowing. The only people calling out this whole situation are communists and weirdo conservatives. Here’s the thing though, those conservative are sharing picture of “gay” Hitler, turning the progress flag into a swastika, and attacking Liberals with “groomer” allegations fuelled by transphobia. Lets not get it twisted, the only reason why conservatives are talking about this incident is because the Prime Minister is a Liberal, had Pierre Poilievre been PM it would be crickets at best or support at worst. Even when the conservatives in parliament were standing and clapping along their supporters were running defense for them, using the same “they didn’t know, it’s the PM/Speaker’s responsibility” rhetoric that the Liberals are using. Two sides of the same coin except one side hates 2SLGBTQ+ explicitly.
I know that there’s no point in trying to reason with anticommunists who seriously think that ‘the Russians’ somehow faked all of the OUN’s pro‐Reich statements and other forms of antisemitism, but if they want to see what a real alliance looks like maybe they should examine the relations between Fascist Italy and the Third Reich; it’s easy to find official Fascist propaganda depicting theirselves as good friends and there are multiple instances of the two empires signing agreements with each other, such as the Four‐Power Pact, the Anticomintern Pact, the German–Italian Cultural Accord of 1938, the Pact of Steel, and the Tripartite Pact. I mean, for fuck’s sake, Benjamin G. Martin literally wrote the book on how the German and Italian Fascists collaborated to create a cultural new order in Europe!
But by all means, continue banging on and on about the brief neutrality—sorry, ‘alliance’—between the Third Reich and the Soviet Union. I’d love to see what kind of mental gymnastics you can pull off to explain how Britain wasn’t a Reich ally but the U.S.S.R. was.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
- Sartre
A lot of them probably know exactly what they’re doing.
“Falsifiers of history” is the official USSR answer to those accusations, edited by Stalin himself, and a really good read.
Brief overview on Wiki is actually ok: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiers_of_History
But the whole thing is really worth reading: https://ebin.pub/falsifiers-of-history-an-historial-document-on-the-origins-of-world-war-ii.html
Spitting the truth since first sentence.
Seems like Stalin was pretty bad at murdering Ukrainians. Population of Ukraine during the “greater danger” went from 27 million in 1924 to 42,9 in 1941. Then, after few years of “lesser danger” it fallen to 27,4 million in 1945. And then after few years of “greater danger” again, rose to 38 million in 1953.
Least competent genocide ever smh.
Conclusion: either that tweet guy have opposite definition of “greater” and “lesser” than the rest of humanity or he is lying nazi.
[The Axis] was only getting started with it’s [sic] killing though. The [Axis] had a plan called “Generalplan Ost”, a plan for genocide of Slavs and colonization of Eastern Europe. The population of the Soviet Union was over 160,000,000 people before the war and had a net growth of almost over a million people each non-wartime year. In 1946, the population of the Soviet Union was 170,548,000, after losing over 20,000,000 people during World War II. The [Axis] plan, had the Soviets and their allies lost, would have resulted in the deaths of about 200,000,000 people in the Soviet Union.
(Source.)
Basically, if the Axis won the war most of the Ukrainian population would have been gone by now, including the Ukrainian anticommunists once they were no longer useful.
Same with Poles and a lot of other ethnic groups. the Soviets are literally the reason many of the fascists who so hate them even exist.
Oh yeah it’s utter bullshit. The USSR and the Ukrainian SSR were extremely popular right after the USSR was destroyed. This is 100% revisionism. Like they’re re-writing the entire history of the 20th century as we watch. Remember; Bandera never had more than 20,000 people in the OUN-B, and there were only about 100k fighters in the UPA before the Soviets crushed their little genocidal adventure. It’s incredible how the losers of WWII have gained the power to completely re-write history.
Total numer of citizens of Ukrainian SSR in all collaboration formations during entire war was around 250000, as opposed to 7 million in Red Army plus who knows how many partisans.
Keeping out Stalin was a matter of life and death
Stalin was like the robot Santa from Futurama. You have to batten down your house to keep him from busting in and gobbling up all of your food.
Keeping out Stalin was a matter of life and death
This is such bullshit, too. The Soviets were shockingly lenient with the Nazis post-war.
Becoming super convinced the liberals were just pretending they thought Nazis were bad to deny Palestinians their rights. They will go right back to saying Hitler was bad and the Nazis are the worst next time their favorite little fascist colony decides to flatten Gaza some more.
That’s the double genocide theory, a strand of holocaust denialism that has become popular in the 2010s
Going by what I’m seeing on Twitter, Nazis are officially just accepted by Liberals now. They may not say it outright but they see Hitler as less evil than Stalin.
I should like to put it on record that I have never been able to dislike Hitler. Ever since he came to power — till then, like nearly everyone, I had been deceived into thinking that he did not matter — I have reflected that I would certainly kill him if I could get within reach of him, but that I could feel no personal animosity. The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him.
Every lib’s favourite left-anticom George Orwell
That’s been true for a while. What do you think those inflated kill counts are for?
The CIA just added ten more victims to its black book based on your comment. Checkmate, commies
That’s basically what’s happening and Conservatives are running their own defence. It’s just a weird split going on right now between the parties and it doesn’t make me optimistic of the near future…
A lot of rainbow fascism going on. Where gay and trans are suddenly super supportive of the regime that tried to actually literally exterminate them as long as the Russians look bad.
The system keeps adding minorities until they reach the critical mass where fascism goes nuclear. This just shows the power of class and its bastard child, white supremacy. It’s so powerful that the previously persecuted are banging on the door to get in and shut the door behind them.
We have crossed the threshold gentlemen.
When governments and social media companies (enabled by governments…) allow runaway lies like " Stalin killed XXXX PEOPLE!" for years and years despite no historian (actual ones that aren’t Nazis) agreeing with it, well, you end up with dipshit libs who WANT to believe the lie believing the lie. And now they repeat Nazi propaganda with a completely straight face saying calling the Holodomor not a genocide (because it objectively wasn’t) is denying genocide… it’s amazing, really. The end result of liberals and the Cold War never ending red scare propaganda is a Nazi being praised in Canadian parliament.
I wish this was the end result, but this is just a pit stop along the way to further decay into “first-world fascism.”
It’s depressing to think how many of us will probably die due to dumbasses like Trudeau…
This fucking sucks.
This shit makes me so fucking angry. Honestly I will threat people with bodily harm should they bring it up in real life. Slander Stalin? Yeah sure whatever liberal. Make apologies for Hitler in the same sentence?
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“The USSR was allied with Nazi Germany”. You know, I wanna write lot of stuff. But actually, I’m just going to say that “The Cold War and Its Origins” (Denna Frank Flemming) has been a good read, I do recommend it.
Its funny that these ppl say they were allies until one invaded the other 😂 its like saying that the US was allied with Japan until they bombed PH.
Interestingly, they don’t ever mention the Soviet-Japanese nonagression pact signed in April 1941 for 5 years, and denounced (legally according to the pact itself) by Soviets in april 1945.
Note incredibly tight fit in the dates to the start and end of the war against nazis, this is like karma telling Japanese Empire “You’ve fucked around and now you’re gonna find out”.
There’s a list somewhere showing how almost all the western allies had various treaties and pacts with the Nazis, with the Soviets only entering in to Molotov-Ribbentrop after all the Western Allies had cut deals with Hitler assuming the Nazis would invade the USSR first. The Allies planned to let Hitler wipe out the Slavs then feast on the carcass of Germany while it was weak from the war. Apparently Stalin spent a lot of the 30s trying to get anyone to agree to go in and crush Hitler before Germany could re-arm and every other power shut him out because, of course, they were all very keen on the Nazis solving their communism problem.
That’s essentially what the entire 30s in the book is about.
It’s so strange, in that one post they’ll transfer the badness associated with Nazis → Soviets → Russians and then absolve the folks who were Nazi affiliated for an extensive period and even the Nazis themself.
It reminds me of math when you have a negative and non-negative multiply which makes the product negative, or the negative can be transferred to the multiplicant and the product remains the same.
-Nazi • Soviet = Bad Where Soviet is equal to Russian, then -Nazi • Russian = Bad Nazi • -Russia = Bad QED Russia is Bad
Then watch how they’ll compare whoever the undesirable of the week is to Nazis again when its convenient.
Conservatives are comparing LGBTQ+ people to Nazis and even make the progress flag into the swastika.
Ah crap, yeah forgot the follow up.
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