• Chriskmee@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    You have no idea what you are talking about… profits aren’t theft, paying people less than the money you make from their work also isn’t theft. Being worth billions because the stock market values your ownership in a big company as worth billions also isn’t theft.

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      paying people less than the money you make from their work also isn’t theft

      Why would someone agree to sell their labor for less than it’s worth thonk

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        What you are worth is less than the profit you make. If a company paid you exactly the money they made from you, they would make no money and cease to exist. It’s really not that complicated.

        It’s like asking why do stores sell products for more than it costs them to buy. It’s such a simple question that even you should know the right answer.

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            1 year ago

            Because that’s the only way it will work? How do you expect businesses to exist and pay bills when they make zero money?

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                So we should just sell items for what they cost? Doesn’t matter if you spent all day working, you get nothing because you just sold everything for what it costs? That’s a better society?

                Businesses first need to pay employees, that’s an obvious one, nobody is going to work for free. Then they need to pay for all the raw materials they buy, and the electricity, etc. If they can’t make a profit they aren’t paying any of those.

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      The fact that you willingly debase yourself like this says everything that is needed to know about the system we live under.

      You are better than this.

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        1 year ago

        Explain where I am debasing myself? If you are referring to a company paying me less than they make from me, how do you expect them to make any money, or even break even, if they don’t do that?

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          If you are referring to a company paying me less than they make from me, how do you expect them to make any money, or even break even, if they don’t do that?

          • Karl Marx, Das Kapital
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              You’re pointing out the fundamental contradiction of capitalism - bosses make a profit by paying workers less than their value - that is the basis of Marxism. We are all extremely aware that your boss needs to underpay you to “make any money, or even break even”. It is literally the reason we oppose capitalism.

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                So you propose they pay you exactly the amount you make them, and the company goes broke in the process, so now you also make nothing since you don’t have a job?

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                  No, we propose that there not be a group of people (capitalists) who own the business just so they can extract profit from the worker’s labor. The workers should collectively own the firm. We recognize that there are two primary classes in society: those who work for a wage that is less than the value they generate (the working class) and those who own a business and extract profit by underpaying their workers (the capitalist class). These classes are inherently in conflict, and the only resolution to that is socialism, which removes the capitalist class from the equation entirely.

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                    So the people who put in the most risk and started the company get nothing more than someone who joined 20 years later? How do you expect companies to get created if the owner constantly loses more and more of their company the bigger it gets? Why risk any of this money in the company when it isn’t even his anymore?

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          Look at your paycheck. See the taxes witheld? You are paying your employer’s tax burden. He gets a free ride as long as you are on his payroll.

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      And here we have a 90s child who grew up hearing Rush Limbaugh all his life and doesnt know what life was like before Reagan showed up and changed all the definitions so that rich people cant be taxed under any circumstance

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        1 year ago

        You realize rich people do pay income taxes just like the rest of us, right?

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          No. They do not. Famously, they do not. It’s the entire reason we’re having this discussion.

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            They do actually, the problem is that when people talk about their tax rate they compare it to wealth, not income, and that isn’t how income tax works.