The Grace Hopper Celebration is meant to unite women in tech. This year droves of men came looking for jobs.

  • CADmonkey@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    30
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    1 year ago

    under qualified for the entry level position we were trying to fill.

    Was it really “entry level” then?

    • Gimpydude@lemmynsfw.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Entry level means different things in different fields. Most skilled jobs do require some knowledge about the field, but don’t necessarily require previous work experience.

      • JonEFive@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        Thank you. This wasn’t a joke where we were like “entry level; requires 5 years of experience”. This job fair was at a community college… So it wouldn’t have been unreasonable to think that maybe someone there had some interest and at least a minimal level of training. Like I said, a class or two.

    • tetelestia@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      If “one class” or “a little knowledge” is enough, then yes, assuming it’s a position with advancement opportunities.

      For a desirable or career type position, showing some initiative is not an unreasonable ask.

    • JonEFive@midwest.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      12
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      Yes. This wasn’t an open “literally anyone can do it” job. It’s entry level as in starting a path to a career. A certain aptitude is definitely necessary.

      Let me ask you this, is a job that requires a two year degree and zero years of experience entry level? Because our requirements were even less than that.

      • systemglitch@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        It used to be once upon a time. Because companies invested in people and fully trained them themselves.

        Yes I know, times have changed.

      • CADmonkey@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        1 year ago

        I don’t know why you’re trying to convince me, its obvious its not as “entry level” as you thought, ans you cant find employees because the pay is very much “entry level”.

        • hydrospanner@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          This.

          “Entry-level” is employerese for, “a professional position for which we don’t want to pay a professional rate”.

          Guessing from your username you’ve encountered plenty of hiring managers looking for someone with multiple years experience in their specific niche field on exactly the software they use…for their entry level position that they want to pay less than 2x minimum wage.

          The last time I was job hunting, I thought there had to be a typo so I actually responded to an ad for a CAD drafter to fill an “entry level” position that they wanted ten years of experience to fill.

          I had the experience, so I figured I’d see what was going on. Surely someone along the hiring pipeline had screwed something up

          Nope!

          They really wanted a CAD drafter with a decade of experience for their entry level position to work for like $14/hr.

          When I told them how unrealistic that was, the response was something to the effect of “When we say entry level, we mean it as entry into our company. The pay may seem low but this will give you the opportunity to quickly earn raises as you take advantage of your employment in our great organization!”

          • CADmonkey@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            They really wanted a CAD drafter with a decade of experience for their entry level position to work for like $14/hr.

            Ha! Good luck with that. You might be able to hire a kid out of high school who got to try solidworks for 30 minutes one afternoon for that much.

            And you’re right, I’ve seen it. One place I talked to had some obscure CAD software I’d never heard of, they wanted someone who could just sit down and use it with no instruction, they were 40 miles from the nearest “major” city, and they wanted to pay $13 per hour, $14 for “the right person”. Nope.

      • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        1 year ago

        is a job that requires a two year degree and zero years of experience entry level?

        Imo no, though companies use the term “entry level” VERY loosely.

        Many career paths will substitute experience for a degree. But there need to be true entry level jobs to give them that experience.

        It’s okay if you want someone who’s taken classes specific to your field, but I think it’s misleading to then call the job “entry level”.

        • superkret@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          So to you, “entry level” is literally just unskilled labor and nothing else?

          • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            Sort of. “Unskilled labor” implies a certain job sector. I’m taking about the role that is currently served by internships, temp-to-hire, apprenticeships, on the job certifications, and people who lie about their experience and then underperform while they learn the role.

            I guess I’d say “no prior experience needed” rather than “unskilled labor”. The work itself can be “skilled” but the job applicant isn’t (yet).

            No matter how “skilled” you get at retail, it will always be considered “unskilled labor”. That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about the company that takes on a temp worker witg no prior experience, with the possibility of full time hire if they show promise. That’s “entry-level”.