QuietCupcake [any, they/them]

It was not a “massacre.”

Then post articles that say that and not articles that refute your own point.

Even the title of the first article I posted is “There Was No ‘Tiananmen Square Massacre’” It’s in the url for chrissakes. This is beyond a failure of reading comprehension, it’s a failure to even look at words.

It was not. a. massacre. It is not at all pedantic to point this fact out. Especially when people, following a blatantly propagandist narrative line, incorrectly call it that.

My choosing those two sources specifically among the thousands of others that was to point out how ridiculous it is to ban someone for “denying a massacre” when even mainstream western news sources (in addition to the BBC as was mentioned in the comment that caught that user the ban lol), including one of the most famous mouthpieces for the U.S. government’s foreign policy, likewise “deny” that it was a massacre and likewise would have been banned according to the silly mod’s standards. Those articles did not at all refute my point, they clearly made it, as should be obvious to anyone able to follow this thread.

Well said.

Another very illustrative example of this kind of deferral and obfuscation played by liberal democracies with their use of authoritarianism is the continued use of literal slave labor specifically in the US, which is even enshrined in the constitution. The sleight-of-hand (sleight-of-tongue?) comes from shifting the term slavery into euphemisms for prison labor. A slave population of “prisoners,” the vast majority of whom are People of Color, mostly black people, as is the slavery tradition, who are actually pipelined from their schools to prison, and criminalized for engaging in the only means they have of economic independence. The authoritarian slave drivers will tell the general populace they are “bad people, felons” and deserve to be sequestered away from society to live solitary lives doing hard labor for no pay (2 cents an hour doesn’t count as pay.)

There is nothing more “authoritarian” than having actual slaves, which is the major reason the prison-industrial complex exists in the US and has more prisoners (read: slaves) than any other country in the world both in absolute numbers and per capita by a ridiculously large margin. That is capitalist-style authoritarianism.

And there were many soldiers who were also killed as well, the first of which were not even armed but were lynched. There was absolutely fighting in the streets in the surrounding area, and no one denies that people did die. But it was a mutually armed struggle, not a massacre. Calling it a massacre distorts the reality and paints a distorted picture that is beneficial to the west and especially the current anti-China narrative.

The fighting I mentioned above was also heavily instigated and pushed to happen by westerners with a vested interest in harming China who were there to rile up protesters and encourage them to do violence, but then left in helicopters when fighting did start. Some of these instigators have openly admitted this and now live happily in the US. It was not a “massacre.”

Come on.

Calling the Soviets, the people who liberated the concentration camps and lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty one of the “most brutal regimes in history” is literally Nazi propaganda. Stop repeating Nazi propaganda.

lol, is this the comment that made some midwest.social mod go buck wild banning you from every comm they could? This is where you (checks modlog notes) were “denying a massacre”? Mod who did that: please make sure to ban not only other users who mention what the BBC says, but also that you remove any posts that link CBS News and the New York Times for their tankie propaganda massacre-denialism!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/13/world/turmoil-china-tiananmen-crackdown-student-s-account-questioned-major-points.html

There it is, @ringwraithfish^ !

You have nothing to feel guilty about. Pirating is literally the more moral thing to do.

Sounds like your daughter is at just the right age to start learning a new language? (Half joking)

You misused a quotation mark?! How dare you!!! Everyone reading this could have actually thought NATO officially released a statement using the phrase ‘scawy Russian.’ (I hope I didn’t misuse those apostrophes right there.)

It wasn’t because the fascists thought they were fighting Jews (in this case), it was because most of the Chechen soldiers were Muslim, who also have prohibitions on using or consuming pigs. It was of course typical nazi-style petty racism, but it was specifically about targeting Muslims.

Not everyone in the audience is that.

For sure, and I hope it didn’t look like I was implying that. It’s why I made a point to say that “some of us reading” appreciate your commentary. The “lying, willfully ignorant” thing was referring specifically to Unruffled and empireOfLove who you and robinnn were replying to respectively. The long process of questioning propaganda and the widening cracks that you describe is similar to my own experience, and I even commented recently about how the purpose of debating people in these online threads is rarely to change the mind of the person you’re arguing with, but rather to speak to the audience and plant the seeds that their doubt will hopefully grow from over time.

It’s not that they “don’t have the balls” to do the right thing, it’s that they have a vested interest in doing the wrong thing. The US isn’t just failing to prevent genocide or punish those responsible, they are helping to conduct it.

I just want to thank you and @[email protected] for the time and effort you put into these heavily-sourced and informative comments. Even if these lying, willfully ignorant shitlibs can’t appreciate it because it so clearly demonstrates how wrong they are and how little they know, some of us reading do appreciate it. I’ve learned a lot as a result and am better equipped to help others who might be willing to try to better understand the situation too.

return to monke.

Removed by mod

Came here wondering the same. Saw Pluto’s 2 month old crosspost in the modlog, deleted for “links to revisionist hellhole” and was like… “wait, they’re calling hexbear revisionist? lol.” I mean, weirdos raging at hexbear isn’t new or surprising to me, but revisionism isn’t an accusation I expected to see levied at the place.

I think it still has highest number of posts and comments per day or something? It’s no longer the highest number in terms of users, but there is some basic metric of activity where hexbear still is quantifiably at the top. But anyway you’re right about the quality, that’s what’s important.

Weird, maybe, but the argument wasn’t an ideological one from what I can tell, it was one about the wording not making sense that I honestly didn’t understand either. I admit to being stupid about economic things, but I didn’t know that “nominal income” meant something different than just income.

Like, you’re going off with “You’re typical of the “HEXBEAR IS RUINING THE LEMMYVERSE” chud” when glancing at their history, it doesn’t look like they’re a chud at all and were actually defending Hexbear when lemmy.world did the preemptive defederation shit.

I think you’re barking up the wrong tree, comrade. I think u/Zuberi really is anti-landlord and hasn’t said anything to suggest otherwise. And their comment about hexbear’s reputation on other instances wasn’t anything having to do with the OP, it was about how you were insulting them.