Wurde das wirklich ersetzt? Hab vorhin im WebArchive geschaut und konnte am Tag der Veröffentlichung auch kein „Deportation“ finden.

Edit: es geht gar nicht um den Artikel, sondern um die Produktbeschreibung eines Buches, welches im März erscheint.

Imagine you have a house plant. You don’t water it for 3 months and then light it with fire, does your room temperature need to be at 40°C for it to start burning?

Temperatures are forecast to fall nationwide from Tuesday, though they will mostly remain above 30 C (86 F).

Lower temperatures alone will fix the fires I’m sure. Or why this completely random weather forecast?

Spain is faring better with its wildfires this week despite the high temperatures of the country’s third heat wave this summer.

They say „despite“ as if heat could just create some random fire. Maybe one could come to the conclusion that temperatures are irrelevant for wildfires after all.

But the evaporation!? Right, the third heat wave when it hasn’t rained in two, three months must be to blame.

At some point this will just lead to legitimating climate change deniers further, and I think we would benefit from avoiding that.

Maybe the guys from Reuters should tell the Portuguese to use the „cool“ button on their hairdryer or set up giant freezers to put out the fires quicker! (Lemmy pls don’t be mad at me)

Let’s look at Palermo Airport’s weather station data: https://meteostat.net/de/station/16405?t=2023-06-01/2023-07-26

The last noteworthy rain fell on June 16. Since then, temperatures have slowly risen, but were mostly between 26-35°C. Only for the last two days, temperatures reached 43/44 and 42 degrees (today it’s even been a steady 28 degrees). First miss-information in the title: 47°C were actually reached on the mainland, not where the fire started. Why pick a totally irrelevant temperature? Generates mores clicks.

Evaporation is not only dependent on temperature, isn’t air humidity almost more important? To be fair, humidity was especially low during these two days with as low as 10% for a few hours. It all comes down to this: Is two days enough to have such a huge additional effect on evaporation compared to the 38 days without rain before?

Adding to that, I found a german source that says the fires around Palermo started on July 24 (apparently during the night after the first 40+ day), leaving even less time for significant evaporation. Haven’t had the time to find a map that shows fires by date yet.

To be totally clear, it is 100% another heat wave caused/made possible by climate change. But I just think putting the (wrong) temperature in the title, when the deciding factor and cause would be drought (normal during this time of year) and arson, is misleading and doesn’t accurately represent the primary factors contributing to the incident.

By the way, for which country did you check wikipedia articles for? Here is a list with plenty in Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires

Thank you for the insight! But still one question: how can you pinpoint that a fire started simply because of high temperatures? How is that physically possible?

It just sounds better to include the temperature, gets them more clicks. Wildfires happen every week there, big or small, but when it’s only 30 degrees then they won’t care to include that in the title. Except for cooler places like Germany where 30 degrees would magically be enough to be mentioned in the title again 😅

June/July/August are on average the driest months in southern Italy. If the soil is already dry because it hasn’t rained in two months there shouldn’t be anything left to evaporate. My point is, it should be communicated clearer that it’s burning not because it’s hot (people really think fires can randomly start by themselves), but because of arson, negligence or intention.

Yes, but sadly even reputable sources implicate that in their articles.

Correct?

The headline is misleading again, high temperatures can’t cause fires. (250-300°C required to burn vegetation) You need two things: dry stuff and someone to light that, temperature is irrelevant. That’s why fires during winter exist, it’s just that less people are out during that time to do stupid.

Edit:

June/July/August are on average the driest months in southern Italy. If the soil is already dry because it hasn’t rained in two months there shouldn’t be anything left to evaporate. My point is, it should be communicated clearer that it’s burning not because it’s hot (people really think fires can randomly start by themselves), but because of arson, negligence or intention.

Edit 2: German newspaper (FAZ) literally writes this about wildfires in Greece:

It is hoped that on Thursday the temperatures should fall back to normal values of about 35 degrees Celsius for the season. In the two weeks before, the temperatures were between 40 and 45 degrees.

Like how is that supposed to help with the fires if it still doesn’t rain?! That’s why temperature is pointless to mention in the same sentence.